Wind-Blown Chinese Elm Opinion Needed
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I certainly wouldn't remove both. I think that makes the tree look too one-dimensional.
If you take out the top one, then I would wire the lower one so that it echoes the movement of the trunk for a while, then the secondary branches can move to the right.
If you take out the top one, then I would wire the lower one so that it echoes the movement of the trunk for a while, then the secondary branches can move to the right.
Stan Kengai
Omono
Keep the bottom left branch. It makes the tree more dynamic. If you remove it, your eye only want to move to the right.
Also, I would shorten the top like your last picture, if that's photoshopped. You might even shorten it a little more.
Also, I would shorten the top like your last picture, if that's photoshopped. You might even shorten it a little more.
Thanks Tom, that would be my preference, bring the left branch up and the finer twigs go in the wind swept direction.
JudyB
Queen of the Nuts
I'm with Tom and Stan on this one, just take the top one, not both.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
All that is good....spot on....
But just recently....
I fell in love with that old pot!
I was hoping this wasnt the one....but alas, there aren't that many high quality windswept trees out there!
This new pot says "water", water that is not moving with the tree as this one does so nicely.
Sorce
But just recently....
I fell in love with that old pot!
I was hoping this wasnt the one....but alas, there aren't that many high quality windswept trees out there!
This new pot says "water", water that is not moving with the tree as this one does so nicely.
Sorce
I am getting chips in the old pot from the cracked glaze. What sort of new pot do you suggest, Sorce? I think this pot is too tall for the tree. A brown irregular shape and more rugged looking "kurama" pot like the one in the attached photo would be nice.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Perfect!
We get chips in buildings cuz of weather and wind here!
@thams amd I were recently speaking about the "American" Bonsai pot aesthetic...
What is it?
Broken pots in appropriate circumstances....
Works for me.
Tend the pot gentle as the tree!
I do like the slab though.
Sorce
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Matter of fact....
Collect the bits of pot and strew them out in the "wind" trailing to the accent.
Play it up.
I love that pot and tree combo!
Sorce
Collect the bits of pot and strew them out in the "wind" trailing to the accent.
Play it up.
I love that pot and tree combo!
Sorce
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Even those branches were not a problem before!
(Oooo, because I love this tree and pot so, and my fire of "prevention" today)
So many "wind blown" thirds at work in this image....
Even the tree which seems centered...
Has been blown at the base....just a bit...actually, to the same % of its strength as the base.
I think it is solely due to the very strong wind blown emotion the old pairing gives...
But it is so strong to me, the new pot seems "forced", as if the wind I know blows would have this tree at the OTHER end of the pot!
Of course this for a against the @MichaelS teaching that I love, to look at each tree individually, which I added to @Craigm "even the same tree as it was minutes before"...
But as always....it depends...
And this is one....
Where a kind walk back to what was....
Will breath life back into this image!
With a FAT dreaded IMO!
Sorce
(Oooo, because I love this tree and pot so, and my fire of "prevention" today)
So many "wind blown" thirds at work in this image....
Even the tree which seems centered...
Has been blown at the base....just a bit...actually, to the same % of its strength as the base.
I think it is solely due to the very strong wind blown emotion the old pairing gives...
But it is so strong to me, the new pot seems "forced", as if the wind I know blows would have this tree at the OTHER end of the pot!
Of course this for a against the @MichaelS teaching that I love, to look at each tree individually, which I added to @Craigm "even the same tree as it was minutes before"...
But as always....it depends...
And this is one....
Where a kind walk back to what was....
Will breath life back into this image!
With a FAT dreaded IMO!
Sorce
KiwiPlantGuy
Omono
Hi Sorce ,
Could you explain the “thirds” concept some more please. I seem to have skipped that lesson
Charles
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Hi Sorce ,
Could you explain the “thirds” concept some more please. I seem to have skipped that lesson
Charles
Most appropriate is just a bit off of exact thirds...but thirds is the best rule for visually pleasing without much thought.
When in doubt....thirds!
Sorce
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
I guess it matters this...
The orange has the trunk on 1/3 which grabs you proper...
But the subtle things that keep you viewing..
The force of the wind that blew the "leaves" to the right 2/3 of the pot(blue), and then in that right 2/3 of the pot, the trunk emerges at 1/3(yellow)
All this stuff just adds up to perfection.
ALL that stuff is what made the wind BLOW!
Forgive my Bonsai Love drunkedness!
Sorce
The orange has the trunk on 1/3 which grabs you proper...
But the subtle things that keep you viewing..
The force of the wind that blew the "leaves" to the right 2/3 of the pot(blue), and then in that right 2/3 of the pot, the trunk emerges at 1/3(yellow)
All this stuff just adds up to perfection.
ALL that stuff is what made the wind BLOW!
Forgive my Bonsai Love drunkedness!
Sorce
Potawatomi13
Imperial Masterpiece
Left branch adds interest and dimensionality to tree.
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Tieball
Masterpiece
Yikes! Scary when you make sense. I understood your thirds discussion. Well illustrated. I like the real life feeling the tree portrays....and those branches on the left contribute.
Phillthy
Mame
Love this tree. Do you have any photos of the tree during development?
Thank you everyone for your suggestions. This is what I intend to do with this elm. Remove one short left branch and wire up the other like in the mock up photo; and cut back the top branches. It is interesting to see the front cover in one issue of the Economists magazine illustrated a wind-blown tree with branches going upwards on the windward side My bonsai reference book also taught this is how branches on the wind side are treated, going upwards. On the blown side, lowest branches are almost parallel to the ground, as we go higher the angle of the branches tilt upwards.
Sorce, thanks for your analysis of the planting positions. In this repot, I intend it to look like a lone survivor in a vast expanse of flat land with high wind. My envision is to plant it in a shallow, rugged-looking, long and narrow pot with the tree on one side and leave a lot of negative space to create that feeling.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Glad I scrolled up cuz that Tiger picture is awesome!
Looking at that pot again, the side walls may be "stopping the wind".
Sounds great.
Hmmmmmmm!
Sorce
Looking at that pot again, the side walls may be "stopping the wind".
Sounds great.
Hmmmmmmm!
Sorce
miker
Chumono
Really nice looking tree. I wish we saw more well done windswept. They are not (in fashion) but I am not sure if they ever really were.
