WTB sumac

[MACH5]

Looking for sumac. Anyone has it for sale or know of anyone selling it?


Thanks guys!

 

[tainoson]

i've actually been thinking about collecting some to experiment with since it grows like weeds up here. hope you find some suitable pieces, can't wait to see what you make of it!

 

[micahmcgrath]

Got plenty of seedlings growing in my yard! Assuming that's not really your speed though... Haha!

 

[Leo in N E Illinois]

Are you looking for rough, recently collected stock? If yes, I have acres of staghorn sumac, Rhus typhina. Its an invasive in my blueberry fields.
I can collect rough stock for you from the farm in SW Michigan, later this month, or in spring if you are interested. It is in a sandy area, comes out of the ground essentially bare root. It suckers from the roots. I could send you a few chopped off stumps and enough roots to get a few pots worth growing. The autumn colors are exquisite. The growth habit is rampant.

I also have poison sumac, Toxicodendron vernix. If you want the Toxicodendron, I'll charge you double, as I would have to suit up in protective gear to dig it. We only have a small patch of the poison sumac in a swampy area, so we don't have to "deal with it" most of the time. The autumn colors are as beautiful as staghorn, though slightly different. They keep a touch of green, along with the fire reds, purples, oranges and yellows. Berries dangle and are white.

I do not have any that are "domesticated". So if you want rough freshly collected stock, let me know.

 

[MACH5]

Got plenty of seedlings growing in my yard! Assuming that's not really your speed though... Haha!

Yes seedlings are actually fine. Might even be way better!

 

[MACH5]

i've actually been thinking about collecting some to experiment with since it grows like weeds up here. hope you find some suitable pieces, can't wait to see what you make of it!

They grow quite a bit here as well. I imagine the ones I see are all Rhus Tiphina or Staghorn sumac.

 

[tainoson]

They grow quite a bit here as well. I imagine the ones I see are all Rhus Tiphina or Staghorn sumac.

yep, we've got them here in spades!

 

[MACH5]

Are you looking for rough, recently collected stock? If yes, I have acres of staghorn sumac, Rhus typhina. Its an invasive in my blueberry fields.
I can collect rough stock for you from the farm in SW Michigan, later this month, or in spring if you are interested. It is in a sandy area, comes out of the ground essentially bare root. It suckers from the roots. I could send you a few chopped off stumps and enough roots to get a few pots worth growing. The autumn colors are exquisite. The growth habit is rampant.

I also have poison sumac, Toxicodendron vernix. If you want the Toxicodendron, I'll charge you double, as I would have to suit up in protective gear to dig it. We only have a small patch of the poison sumac in a swampy area, so we don't have to "deal with it" most of the time. The autumn colors are as beautiful as staghorn, though slightly different. They keep a touch of green, along with the fire reds, purples, oranges and yellows. Berries dangle and are white.

I do not have any that are "domesticated". So if you want rough freshly collected stock, let me know.

Thank you Leo! I wanted to make small arrangements with them. I saw many in Japan but I think they use Rhus succedanea which I think is a much smaller and daintier variety. But I may try some of those larger Staghorns for bigger arrangements. So maybe I'll take you up on that offer? I agree, I love them in Autumn with those deep red plume-like flowers and brilliant colorful foliage. I attached one that was created by David Easterbrook with staghorns.

 

[Leo in N E Illinois]

Sounds good.

PM me to remind me in March. March-April is when soil thaws on the farm.

This is an image of Rhus typhina from Bonsai Tonight, Jonas Dupuich.


There is a similar image of a Rhus species in Kimura's garden, usually when seen you think it is only a foot or two tall. Then I saw a picture with Kimura next to it, it was on the ground, and it was taller than Kimura. The photos were deceptive.

Some species are smaller. Rhus copallinum, a North American species, by Young Chloe


and Rhus glabra by Dave Paris


I would not seek out the Japanese Wax tree, Rhus succedanea, as it is known for causing dermatitis similar to poison ivy. In fact its current botanical name has been changed to Toxicodendron succedaneum, the same genus with poison ivy. It can be kept smaller, but it can cause dermatitis. Example by Haruyoshi

 

[Shogun610]

Looking for sumac. Anyone has it for sale or know of anyone selling it?


Thanks guys!

As pre Bonsai or nursery material ... there is a nursery in called -Edge Woods Of The Woods Native Plant Nursery, it’s a native nursery close to me in Orefield PA. They have Fragrant Sumac, Gro lo Dwarf Fragrant Sumac, Winged Sumac and Staghorn Sumac. Cool nursery , I’ve gotten alot of native plants for Bonsai here, they hold events for Bonsai Society of Lehigh Valley.

 

[MACH5]

Sounds good.

PM me to remind me in March. March-April is when soil thaws on the farm.

This is an image of Rhus typhina from Bonsai Tonight, Jonas Dupuich.
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There is a similar image of a Rhus species in Kimura's garden, usually when seen you think it is only a foot or two tall. Then I saw a picture with Kimura next to it, it was on the ground, and it was taller than Kimura. The photos were deceptive.

Some species are smaller. Rhus copallinum, a North American species, by Young Chloe
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and Rhus glabra by Dave Paris
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I would not seek out the Japanese Wax tree, Rhus succedanea, as it is known for causing dermatitis similar to poison ivy. In fact its current botanical name has been changed to Toxicodendron succedaneum, the same genus with poison ivy. It can be kept smaller, but it can cause dermatitis. Example by Haruyoshi

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Excellent Leo, thank you!

I will PM you closer to spring. Perhaps by then I may have found some but I'll let you know.

 

[MACH5]

As pre Bonsai or nursery material ... there is a nursery in called -Edge Woods Of The Woods Native Plant Nursery, it’s a native nursery close to me in Orefield PA. They have Fragrant Sumac, Gro lo Dwarf Fragrant Sumac, Winged Sumac and Staghorn Sumac. Cool nursery , I’ve gotten alot of native plants for Bonsai here, they hold events for Bonsai Society of Lehigh Valley.

Thanks! I saw they have a website so will check it out. I may have to try a few on line nurseries as well.


I do have a few of the Gro-lo sumac (Rhus aromatica) which has been quite difficult to find in my area. One is already on its way to become a small twin trunk bonsai. Spectacular color as with all sumacs.

 

[Shogun610]

Thanks! I saw they have a website so will check it out. I may have to try a few on line nurseries as well.

RedBud Native Plant Nursery in Media PA might have Sumac also

 

[JudyB]

Here is my gro-lo sumac today in it's fall dress. In the second pic you can see above it a large sumac of undetermined variety, I dug it up off the turnpike in Pennsylvania one time on my way home off a tour long ago.
Gro lo seems to twist itself around on it's own, and makes lovely shapes without any pruning. The third pic shows a large bank of them around a planting up on a hill that has spread out on it's own from a few plants. This variety seems to get much better fall colors than my regular stag horn varieties, which mostly do red.

 

[Shogun610]

Here is my gro-lo sumac today in it's fall dress. In the second pic you can see above it a large sumac of undetermined variety, I dug it up off the turnpike in Pennsylvania one time on my way home off a tour long ago.
Gro lo seems to twist itself around on it's own, and makes lovely shapes without any pruning. The third pic shows a large bank of them around a planting up on a hill that has spread out on it's own from a few plants. This variety seems to get much better fall colors than my regular stag horn varieties, which mostly do red.



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Is it easy to get permission to dig up on the turnpike? I eyed up alittle sumpin sumpin racing up to work every morning.

 

[JudyB]

Is it easy to get permission to dig up on the turnpike? I eyed up alittle sumpin sumpin racing up to work every morning.

This was a loooong time ago, like late 70's. In the 70's you didn't need permission for anything... LOL.. I know better now, but I was young and crazy then. I saw a huge sumac one time in PA, it was off the side of a gas station parking lot, there was a ravine that it was growing up from, I swear that thing was 30' down in the ravine, and a good 20' above my head.

 

[Shogun610]

This was a loooong time ago, like late 70's. In the 70's you didn't need permission for anything... LOL.. I know better now, but I was young and crazy then. I saw a huge sumac one time in PA, it was off the side of a gas station parking lot, there was a ravine that it was growing up from, I swear that thing was 30' down in the ravine, and a good 20' above my head.

Yeah lol late 70’s sheesh I wasn’t even born till 1991 ... they don’t allow for any collection on Turnpike anymore , guess they like trees to get pollution with fuel and dirt.... PA sucks for permission. Luckily I got permission to collect in some state parks north of me.. but everywhere else is off limits here in PA.

 

[MACH5]

I see a lot large stands of staghorns growing by the side of rt 80. I stare at them every autumn.

@JudyB That's a really nice sumac Judy (the smaller one). It almost looks like tiger eyes which is a very nice cultivar. I don't think it's a Gro-low though. It only grows to be about 20" tall and really wide. The leaf looks quite different than your typical sumac. Below is what gro-low looks like

 

[JudyB]

I see a lot large stands of staghorns growing by the side of rt 80. I stare at them every autumn.

@JudyB That's a really nice sumac Judy (the smaller one). It almost looks like tiger eyes which is a very nice cultivar. I don't think it's a Gro-low though. It only grows to be about 20" tall and really wide. The leaf looks quite different than your typical sumac. Below is what gro-low looks like

Ah you are right, it’s been so long nice I planted these I’d forgotten that the gro low didn’t live but the tiger eyes that I planted t the same time really did take over that area. Thanks for the correction! Hope you’re doing well!

 

[MACH5]

Ah you are right, it’s been so long nice I planted these I’d forgotten that the gro low didn’t live but the tiger eyes that I planted t the same time really did take over that area. Thanks for the correction! Hope you’re doing well!

Sure no worries Juds. Doing well so far. I hope all the same for you

I am surprised your Gro-low did not make it. They seem pretty tough. BTW I would not mind a tiger eyes myself!