Zelkova nire

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Saturday on noelanders i bought this small zelkova nire i bought it because i saw a good informal upright tree in there

Also were does nire stand for?
As the buds are already swollen up
It does need to be repoted soon but also means i need to give it some extra winter protection
i hope to find a decent nebari :D

It wil need some pruning the top has to go and some branches too

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Nice little tree!
So glad I could not make it. Saved me from buying trees if I now see the trees people brought home!
 
leatherback said:
Nice little tree!
So glad I could not make it. Saved me from buying trees if I now see the trees people brought home!
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Haha true its a day wich costs money
But i sold two of my waterlances so i saved me some too and i was finaly able to pick up my reserved yew from @Ruben Bouwmeester :)
 
The moniker, "Zelkova nire" seems to be unique to bonsai culture and not the name of the species. ThePlantList.org lists the following names for the genus (I have highlighted the names that are accepted at this point:

Name Status Confidence level Source Date supplied
Zelkova abelicea (Lam.) Boiss. Accepted M WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova acuminata Planch. Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova carpinifolia (Pall.) K. Koch Accepted M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova crenata Spach Unresolved L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova cretica (Sm.) Spach Synonym M WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova davidiana (Priemer) Bean Synonym M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova davidii (Hance) Hemsl. Synonym M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova formosana Hayata Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova hirta C.K. Schneid. Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova hyrcana Grossh. & Jarm. Synonym M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova japonica Dippel Unresolved L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova japonica var. verschaffeltii Dippel Synonym L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova keaki Maxim. Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova schneideriana Hand.-Mazz. Accepted M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova serrata Makino Unresolved L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova serrata (Thunb.) Makino Accepted L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova serrata var. tarokoensis (Hayata) H.L. Li Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova sicula Di Pasq., Garfi & Quézel Accepted M WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova sinica C.K. Schneid. Accepted M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova stipulacea Franch. & Sav. Unresolved L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova tarokoensis Hayata Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova ulmoides C.K.Schneid. Unresolved L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova × verschaffeltii (Dippel) G.Nicholson [Unplaced] Unresolved L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
 
milehigh_7 said:
The moniker, "Zelkova nire" seems to be unique to bonsai culture and not the name of the species. ThePlantList.org lists the following names for the genus (I have highlighted the names that are accepted at this point:

Name Status Confidence level Source Date supplied
Zelkova abelicea (Lam.) Boiss. Accepted M WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova acuminata Planch. Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova carpinifolia (Pall.) K. Koch Accepted M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova crenata Spach Unresolved L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova cretica (Sm.) Spach Synonym M WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova davidiana (Priemer) Bean Synonym M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova davidii (Hance) Hemsl. Synonym M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova formosana Hayata Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova hirta C.K. Schneid. Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova hyrcana Grossh. & Jarm. Synonym M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova japonica Dippel Unresolved L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova japonica var. verschaffeltii Dippel Synonym L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova keaki Maxim. Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova schneideriana Hand.-Mazz. Accepted M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova serrata Makino Unresolved L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova serrata (Thunb.) Makino Accepted L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova serrata var. tarokoensis (Hayata) H.L. Li Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova sicula Di Pasq., Garfi & Quézel Accepted M WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova sinica C.K. Schneid. Accepted M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova stipulacea Franch. & Sav. Unresolved L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova tarokoensis Hayata Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova ulmoides C.K.Schneid. Unresolved L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova × verschaffeltii (Dippel) G.Nicholson [Unplaced] Unresolved L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
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thnx a bunch for that !
my guess goes out that its a Zelkova serrata then
and one more thnx i hope to make it even nicer ;)
gl studying !
 
milehigh_7 said:
The moniker, "Zelkova nire" seems to be unique to bonsai culture and not the name of the species. ThePlantList.org lists the following names for the genus (I have highlighted the names that are accepted at this point:

Name Status Confidence level Source Date supplied
Zelkova abelicea (Lam.) Boiss. Accepted M WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova acuminata Planch. Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova carpinifolia (Pall.) K. Koch Accepted M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova crenata Spach Unresolved L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova cretica (Sm.) Spach Synonym M WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova davidiana (Priemer) Bean Synonym M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova davidii (Hance) Hemsl. Synonym M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova formosana Hayata Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova hirta C.K. Schneid. Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova hyrcana Grossh. & Jarm. Synonym M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova japonica Dippel Unresolved L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova japonica var. verschaffeltii Dippel Synonym L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova keaki Maxim. Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova schneideriana Hand.-Mazz. Accepted M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova serrata Makino Unresolved L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova serrata (Thunb.) Makino Accepted L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova serrata var. tarokoensis (Hayata) H.L. Li Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova sicula Di Pasq., Garfi & Quézel Accepted M WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova sinica C.K. Schneid. Accepted M TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova stipulacea Franch. & Sav. Unresolved L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova tarokoensis Hayata Synonym L TRO 2012-04-18
Zelkova ulmoides C.K.Schneid. Unresolved L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
Zelkova × verschaffeltii (Dippel) G.Nicholson [Unplaced] Unresolved L WCSP (in review) 2012-03-26
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Any winged bark species? https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/winged-bark-zelkova-or-am-i-a-wing-nut.31990/#post-529603
 
dirk hoorelbeke said:
Cork bark Chinese elm.
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Winged and Cork are not the same species. The tree in that thread clearly has wings. The one in this thread also does not look like cork bark.

Here is a couple of Smoke's cork barks for reference:
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It takes 6 years to develop bark. This one is young. Seeing the growth habit and the base of the trunk (close-up without moss might help) I would think it is cork bark elm (mistakingly called zelkova nire in bonsai land). It has a nice start no matter what species.
 
dirk hoorelbeke said:
It takes 6 years to develop bark. This one is young. Seeing the growth habit and the base of the trunk (close-up without moss might help) I would think it is cork bark elm (mistakingly called zelkova nire in bonsai land). It has a nice start no matter what species.
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We will see when the leaves are there dirk !
Buds are already swellin up green tips so gonna repot it soon so i will see nebari and remove the moss !
 
dirk hoorelbeke said:
Very nice start for a fantastic rootbase. A bigger pot might speed things up if you really want it to flare. Since the species is so strong it should be full in no time.
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Yes i was thinking the same later but i aint going to change the shoes again there is always next year!
 
Hi,

Nice little tree, congratulations.

IMO It is Ulmus parvifolia var. nire-keyaki. You have an article here click,click (Sorry it is in Spanish, but photos are quite good)

I purchase one some time ago
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I let it grow (no cork bark in new growth)
nire1.jpg


and I made an airlayer
nire6.jpg


Well, in fact, I did five airlayers
elm22.jpg


And after one year growing by its own
pumi23.jpg


I hope corky bark will appear sooner or later, but I am quite sure that one day will appear.

Again, congratulations for your new tree, and good luck with the cuttings

Greetings form Spain.
 
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