Colorado
Masterpiece
Oh yeah! Looks awesome! Love this design!
End of season update on some spring collections - Piñon Pine
- Thread starter Hartinez
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Oh yeah! Looks awesome! Love this design!
Hartinez
Masterpiece
Thanks TJ! I couldn’t help myself! I did this a little over a month ago and within 2 weeks I had wire biting in. It’ll be interesting to see what the roots look like come spring.
Colorado
Masterpiece
Yes I will be very interested about the roots! I am being conservative with mine
. It is super healthy this year but I was planning to give it one more year in the box just to play it safe! But now I’m tempted to do a little work on it
Hartinez
Masterpiece
The work I did was awfullly minimal. I know they say wiring is stressful to the tree but it went down as smooth as I could have asked for, and I removed such a small amount of foliage. I feel like you could as long as you kept it simple! Just set structure and no Mas.Yes I will be very interested about the roots! I am being conservative with mine
But now I’m tempted to do a little work on it
Hartinez
Masterpiece
Ended up having to remove all of the wire I put on this piñon a few weeks ago. Already biting! An awfully healthy tree at the moment. Excited to get a look at the roots in spring.
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Shohin
Crazy Diamond
Omono
Thats juvenile foliage?
Hartinez
Masterpiece
Yup
Hartinez
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First repot! Roots looked great. Lots of michroriza especially inside the rootball. I had been planning this arrangement on this lava rock I dished out. I also included some hedgehog cactus from the same area and this is all native mosses from the same area. A second styling will happen sometime this year as long as it’s ready.
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Hartinez
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Bud selection from the fall is paying off real well. Doubles all over.
Hartinez
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jevanlewis
Yamadori
I'd like to join the Pinyon party! (I think it's a Pinyon. Can you all help me confirm?)
I collected this in late September of 2021 in Wyoming (under permit). It was growing in pure pine duff in a rock pocket. I had to cut a massive tap root that was 6' long, but it had lots of feeder roots closer to the base that I was able to keep. I potted it into straight pumice, but the pot is probably 60% original roots+duff. I'd like to repot to replace some of the duff and large roots with more pumice, but I think I will give it one more year to strengthen.
Regarding design, the biggest challenge is the legginess. I could see myself removing either one of the large horizontal branches, but I could also see a design that keeps both. Also, this one will need several jins.
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I collected this in late September of 2021 in Wyoming (under permit). It was growing in pure pine duff in a rock pocket. I had to cut a massive tap root that was 6' long, but it had lots of feeder roots closer to the base that I was able to keep. I potted it into straight pumice, but the pot is probably 60% original roots+duff. I'd like to repot to replace some of the duff and large roots with more pumice, but I think I will give it one more year to strengthen.
Regarding design, the biggest challenge is the legginess. I could see myself removing either one of the large horizontal branches, but I could also see a design that keeps both. Also, this one will need several jins.
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ShadyStump
Imperial Masterpiece
Yup, pinus edulus, two needle piñon pine.
I have actually seen these things in the wild pushing new buds from the trunk! I wouldn't go so far as to place a bet on it happening, but it's a thing for sure. As far as conifers go, they bud back very well.
I've had horrible luck with them, mostly due to crap geology - those long running roots will go 10 or 20 feet into a tiny rock crevice around here - but also lackluster after care, and the new dog.
jevanlewis
Yamadori
Great info. Thank you. Did backbudding require heavy pruning (always leaving some needles on the branch, of course)?
ShadyStump
Imperial Masterpiece
Like I said, terrible luck, so I can't give much detail. You certainly don't want to treat it like a deciduous, pruning hard and expecting new growth to pop all over. And absolutely DO NOT remove all your new candles. That will kill a pine outright.
I can say back budding is a matter of a very healthy and vigorous tree with roots that outpace the top growth. I believe there's a strategy to getting them to back bud reliably.
There are a couple of guys in the Rocky Mountain Bonsai Society that put together a fairly comprehensive treatise on pinus edulus. I found it on the RMBS website once, then got a new phone and haven't been able to find it again. Maybe you'll have better luck.
Hartinez
Masterpiece
Ultimately, too much foliage for what I envision as the final design. But I won’t gin any branches until maybe the end of the season. More ramification and smaller needles will also help the image. Happy with his progress so far though.
Mad Tabby
Yamadori
Can I ask what the pot is? I’m not sure if it’s your account, but I’ve seen a few photos and absolutely love them.
Hartinez
Masterpiece
Hartinez
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I ended up mounting the stone to a reiho nanban. I planted a few plugs of blue grama grass in that tray. I’m looking forward to the flowering cactus and grasses to interact a bit in the future.
The added tray also gives more visual weight to the composition balancing the height of the tree and needle mass. I think this comp will look really great in another 3-5 yrs.
Need to figure out a better photo and backdrop system.
