Can I graft hinoki cypress to thuja occidentalis?

[minkes]

Hi! I want to ask if it is possible to graft hinoki cypress foliage or other cultivars of cypress to thuja occidentalis? Has anybody success with it?

 

[Crazy Diamond]

As long as I know grafting conifers in diferent genus can be done, so it probably should be possible

Juniperus squamata grafted on Platycladus orientalis

Juniperus, Chamaecyparis and Thuja grafted together

 

[penumbra]

It absolutely can be done. Years back many nurseries grafted thus for chameacyparis hybrids that were either slow to develop or hard to root.

 

[minkes]

Awesome! Thank you! Ok, now I have to learn by doing. Wish me success

 

[Frozentreehugger]

I’m very interested in any info you find on grafting . These 2 trees together . You can PM if you prefer . All I have found out is that basically can be done abs has been done . I’m assuming like everyone . Your goal is the improved foliage of Hinoki . My interest is to graft dwarf thuja to wild collected thuja . In case your interested Primo is a outstanding cultivar that is very Hinoki in appearance . May be difficult for you to source . My intentions are to sly of hand duplicate the stunning dwarf foliage of cold and wind tortured thuja That is impossible to keep and or duplicate in culture .

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

In case your interested Primo is a outstanding cultivar that is very Hinoki in appearance .

That sounds like a good idea until you're facing the same problems as I had with my chinensis juniper grafted on italian cypress; in spring the emerging shoots look similar and can be difficult to distinguish.
I use those shoots for grafting and more than once found out that my freshly cut shoot ready for wrapping, wasn't juniper but cypress instead.

Ever since I want every understock to be super different from the donor, as long as its for propagating reasons of course. Aesthetically it works to have things looking alike.

 

[Frozentreehugger]

That sounds like a good idea until you're facing the same problems as I had with my chinensis juniper grafted on italian cypress; in spring the emerging shoots look similar and can be difficult to distinguish.
I use those shoots for grafting and more than once found out that my freshly cut shoot ready for wrapping, wasn't juniper but cypress instead.

Ever since I want every understock to be super different from the donor, as long as its for propagating reasons of course. Aesthetically it works to have things looking alike.

I think you mis understand or I was not clear enough . I’m referring to the above cultivar of Thuja occedentalis. Primo that has very dwarf tight foliage . Being grafted to wild collected thuja occedentalis. Goal is to completely replace the foliage on the collected tree with the improved cultivar .

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

I think you mis understand or I was not clear enough . I’m referring to the above cultivar of Thuja occedentalis. Primo that has very dwarf tight foliage . Being grafted to wild collected thuja occedentalis. Goal is to completely replace the foliage on the collected tree with the improved cultivar .

Ah right, I thought you were going to use it as a mother stock to graft wild material onto and to take cuttings, scions or air layers from.
I must have imagined reading something else ;-)

 

[Frozentreehugger]

Ah right, I thought you were going to use it as a mother stock to graft wild material onto and to take cuttings, scions or air layers from.
I must have imagined reading something else ;-)

All good I watched your grafting vid . Very nicely done . Was a little surprised you wrap the scion that tightly . Have seen some that use a baggy . So there is more room . Grafting is one of the things I have no experience in . So I have a learning curve .

 

[Bonsai Nut]

Primo is a outstanding cultivar that is very Hinoki in appearance . May be difficult for you to source .

I have two Primos and I agree that they look very much like a DWARF Hinoki. They are very slow growers for me - but I agree that they are very intriguing.

 

[Frozentreehugger]

I have two Primos and I agree that they look very much like a DWARF Hinoki. They are very slow growers for me - but I agree that they are very intriguing.

A little difficult for me to source . That little thing called a international border . But hopefully will have at least one 6 gallon nursery . Version and a few 3 gallons . For my intended use I see the slow growth as somewhat a positive .

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

All good I watched your grafting vid . Very nicely done . Was a little surprised you wrap the scion that tightly . Have seen some that use a baggy . So there is more room . Grafting is one of the things I have no experience in . So I have a learning curve .

I didn't make any videos! I tried the bag though and bags catch a lot of wind so I recommend using alu wire as a reenforcement on the wound.
I switched to parafilm wraps completely and am also experimenting with early fall grafting instead of spring. Reason 1 to do it in early fall is to avoid young blackbirds that yank the scions out, reason 2 is to avoid nesting birds looking for nesting material and yanking scions out, reason 3 is heat, reason 4 is plant physiology: my plants thicken the most in fall, that's also when they put out the biggest amount of scar tissue and callus.
My grafts have just been through a couple days of freezing temps and they're holding up better than the cuttings I took (to see which will die first, easy indicator).
I think you'll be surprised with how easy grafting can be. Just make sure you do 5 more than you really want, and make sure the donor is in good health.

 

[Frozentreehugger]

I didn't make any videos! I tried the bag though and bags catch a lot of wind so I recommend using alu wire as a reenforcement on the wound.
I switched to parafilm wraps completely and am also experimenting with early fall grafting instead of spring. Reason 1 to do it in early fall is to avoid young blackbirds that yank the scions out, reason 2 is to avoid nesting birds looking for nesting material and yanking scions out, reason 3 is heat, reason 4 is plant physiology: my plants thicken the most in fall, that's also when they put out the biggest amount of scar tissue and callus.
My grafts have just been through a couple days of freezing temps and they're holding up better than the cuttings I took (to see which will die first, easy indicator).
I think you'll be surprised with how easy grafting can be. Just make sure you do 5 more than you really want, and make sure the donor is in good health.

Sorry thought the grafting vid was yours . Have to recheck . Thanks for the advice at what time in the fall do you graft .

 

[Frozentreehugger]

I didn't make any videos! I tried the bag though and bags catch a lot of wind so I recommend using alu wire as a reenforcement on the wound.
I switched to parafilm wraps completely and am also experimenting with early fall grafting instead of spring. Reason 1 to do it in early fall is to avoid young blackbirds that yank the scions out, reason 2 is to avoid nesting birds looking for nesting material and yanking scions out, reason 3 is heat, reason 4 is plant physiology: my plants thicken the most in fall, that's also when they put out the biggest amount of scar tissue and callus.
My grafts have just been through a couple days of freezing temps and they're holding up better than the cuttings I took (to see which will die first, easy indicator).
I think you'll be surprised with how easy grafting can be. Just make sure you do 5 more than you really want, and make sure the donor is in good health.

This grafting thread you made

 

[minkes]

Here are my two big Thuja trees (one is little bit off the photo no the left side), where I want to try to graft juniper or hinoki foliage on. Today I cleaned their trunks and make some jins from dead parts. Also I tried to remove all dead bark to the living part. On the second photo is quick sketch of possible grafts location I want to do in the spring.

 

[Frozentreehugger]

Here are my two big Thuja trees (one is little bit off the photo no the left side), where I want to try to graft juniper or hinoki foliage on. Today I cleaned their trunks and make some jins from dead parts. Also I tried to remove all dead bark to the living part. On the second photo is quick sketch of possible grafts location I want to do in the spring.

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Have you made a choice on type of grafting . Ie approach grafting or bud grafting

 

[minkes]

Have you made a choice on type of grafting . Ie approach grafting or bud grafting

It will depends on if the rooted juniper cuttings from summer will survive winter. If so, I will try approach grafting . Or maybe combination of both techniques.

 

[Frozentreehugger]

It will depends on if the rooted juniper cuttings from summer will survive winter. If so, I will try approach grafting . Or maybe combination of both techniques.

What are you trying to graft . For juniper . Thuja is a member of the cypress family ir at least sort of . I know Hinoki has been grafted to it . Myself I’m going to try primo . Which is a thuja cultivar , with very tight foliage . And far better colour . You may be stretching what’s possible grafting juniper . To thuja . But there is only one way to find out

 

[minkes]

What are you trying to graft . For juniper . Thuja is a member of the cypress family ir at least sort of . I know Hinoki has been grafted to it . Myself I’m going to try primo . Which is a thuja cultivar , with very tight foliage . And far better colour . You may be stretching what’s possible grafting juniper . To thuja . But there is only one way to find out

Look up for another replies. It was not my idea to graft juniper to thuja, but suggestion from others. I will probably take safe way and try to graft chamaecyparis which seems to be closer to thuja comapred to juniper.

 

[Gabler]

I keep seeing this thread popping up, and I keep wondering why you want to graft another species onto your white cedar. What's wrong with real folige?