Bonsai Art Shool, "Perspective"

Thanks for the reply! Yes, I did the drawings, thanks for the compliment!

Mainly what I was getting at with the question, is are their times when one might want to instead choose to wire a tree in a particular perspective, rather than just adjusting the height of the overall tree and it's display?

So, really the question was more beginning to look at how we style a tree, rather then how it is just displayed. How, through perspective in our styling of a tree can effect what one sees...

So, perhaps one has a piece of material that they like where it sits display height wise, but when viewed... the tree looks to open and not compact, in essence to tall. One can then wire branching and pads in more of a downward perspective.

Seeing that we already established with the Horizon, or eye line discussion before, that one viewing foliage from a downward view gives the feeling of being smaller because we are looking down on it. One can quite literally give the "illusion" of a tree appearing smaller, yet the tree is still the same height. And vice versa if a tree appears to small.

Another instance might be, that perhaps one has a feature they like of the tree, such as a jin a shari, or even some movement in a branch, etc. That they want to show off, but if the tree is displayed at the height they wish to show it at, this feature is not visible. So, then one will have to adjust the height. Which then changes the feel of the perspective. So, to compensate, one might need to make up for this with the styling of the branching and pads.

Often with material such as junipers, the best view of the a cool feature of the trunk, might be looking straight down at the material from the top. So, one wants to make this the front of the tree, and what is seen. So, it is changed the in the planting of the material. Now, because one is now looking at the top of the tree. .. with the foliage more b than likely coming straight towards you... this will have to be changed and styled differently. You have changed the perspective of how the tree was viewed, by changing the angle it is potted at, it now needs the rest to follow suit.

I know this sounds elementary, yet yes... we adjust the perspective of how the tree is viewed with just about everything we do to the tree. The reasoning for the thread... to perhaps understand how what we do can easily be transfered into an established formula by centuries of folks doing art.

If one wants to wire a branch and bend it down lower because they think it will look good. These basic fundamentals help to explain what is happening visually, when one does.

As far as the displaying and the tables being at the wrong heights... this seems to be a common thread no matter where I have seen shows... one just gets tables and throws a cloth over the top and a curtain behind. Some shows will add extension pvc pipes to the legs to raise the height, because they understand this problem exists... others perhaps needs some education regarding this matter.

To be safe... I would suggest you ask them before hand what the height of the tables will be. And you design accordingly.

It seems like what your driving at is that, ideally, all of the components of the display as well as the tree should work together to help enhance the illusion - that the little tree you're looking at is really a great big one. Some tools that can help are the horizon line established by the table, the display elements or the planting itself right down to the orientation of the primary branches and even arrangement of the foliage. And the same elements can make companion plants or secondary trunks in a grove planting look small by comparison, further enhancing the illusion.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone it put exactly that way. Thanks!

Scott
 
In my thread asking who would be interested in art threads a picture of a group planting was posted up by @rockm. I hope he doesn't mind me reposting it here for sake of discussion. It is an awesome piece of art, and worthy of such a perspective discussion.

Here is the planting
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And @Ironbeaver contributed the following drawing over the image showing the perspective of what he believes the Artist's intentions were of the planting. I believe this as well to be correct... it would make a nice perspective of this planting.

The red lines the vanishing lines... the yellow circle the vanishing point. Which would make the "horizon line" right where the vanishing point or yellow circle is.
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However, not trying to insult anyone by this... but, judging by the table it rests upon, this is not actually where the "horizon line" or one's eye line is at. Perhaps it is the photo? Again, not trying to insult, just trying to point out for instructional purposes. If not the photo, than the height chosen for the table is much to low, if we are to assume the planting was meant to be viewed from a perspective of Ironbeaver ' s view.

A view if chosen would give the trees in the planting a very tall towering feel. Which seems to be the intention of the design. Perhaps this was not the intention of the Artist, I don't know. But, if it is placed at the correct height, one would either be on a mountain or a hill looking downwards at the planting or a very tall individual... let's say at least 50- 60 feet tall? If not more?

If it is the photo, one needs to of perhaps scooted down when taking the picture. If it is the table... it needs to be raised.

Why?
Imagine yourself standing in nature, looking at this group of trees... in comparison to height, how tall would you think you would be looking at them? Now, examine in the following photo, the actual horizon or eye line... I am on my phone, so sorry for the sloppy lines, but they are in brown.

Do, you think your eye line would be this tall? The horizon line in brown? If the answer is no, then one would see that the perspective chosen for the planting is off. It does not make the trees feel towering and tall, but instead... if an average person's height is somewhere around 6 ft... it would make the trees feel somewhere about 7 feet tall. Which is in all actuality probably not to far from the actual height of the planting, sitting on the table.

So, if the illusion of the trees is to be massive, it is not helped by the perspective angle that it has been chosen for it to be display at. This does not mean that the work is wrong, or the art is not good. It is my opinion, that it's display is not good. Sure I will get some heat for saying it... but this is how perspective works.

If one is trying to create an illusion of reality, the closer one can get to the reality, the better the illusion will be.

Here is the picture with the actual perspective drawn in brown.
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Now, with this aside...

I wanted to point out a very cool feature that the chosen perspective does do, however, I don't think it was intentional. ..

If one was to examine the smaller trees on the left. What does this perspective do in comparison to the trees on the right?

Seeing it is a downward perspective, it makes them feel small, because we see the tops of the trees. Which works somewhat... you really get the feeling the trees are much more smaller than those on the right.

So, can there be a way, to make this work to one's advantage? Can one design a planting in which one has a perspective of looking up into the really tall trees on the right giving them the feeling of being towering, yet at the same time, splitting the perspective, and having one that looks down on the trees on the left, making them feel small?

Interesting concept... I think one can. What do you think? Perhaps if the horizon line that was chosen to display the piece, was slightly higher than that of Ironbeaver ' s ? It would be a slight stretch of actual human height, but might help with the illusion of the trees being smaller on the left.

It does begin to make one consider what role "perspective" can play in a piece of art such as bonsai. Perhaps one can design such a planting or a tree with these concepts in mind? The purpose if thus thread, was to do just that. So, as we move forward, we will examine this in further detail.
It's interesting, Stacy, that the perspective you chose was not based upon the trees, or even the rock planter, but it was the stand that determined your determination of the vanishing point. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it does speak to how important the choice of stands and other display elements can be.

Take the traditional shohin box stand, for example. Usually, it's a powerful conifer on top. Usually a JBP. It's up high, so typically the viewer is actually looking up at it from below. It is, therefore, important to have excellent lower branches, pulled down low, so that it doesn't look like we're looking at the underside of the branches.
 
So, moving along...

If we have established that a Horizon Line or Eye line higher up, gives the Emotional feel of a tree being small, seeing one is looking down on the tree.
Then the opposite would be a Horizon Line lower down... This kind of perspective would give one the Emotional Feel of the tree being large, or grand.
For the tree is taller than one's Eye line, therefore then one's view is that of looking up into the tree... giving the feeling of it towering over one.

In this type of perspective one sees a lot of the branching, and structure of the tree. Because one is not looking straight on at the tree, it adds interest and dimension, especially when this has differing values of high light, shading and shadow. However, if one chooses a Horizon Line that is too low, one will see more of the branching and it will play a bigger role in the design of the tree then the foliage, so this needs to be taken into consideration. If one's goal is to show a very large towering tree, then this would not be a problem, seeing that if one was standing under a towering tree, and looked up, what would they see? Branches... and the underside of these branches. If one's goal was to show not as tall of a tree, then perhaps one might not want to show it from such a extreme angle looking up, but instead more of a compromise, where one is just slightly looking up into the branching.

Here is a view of a tree in such a perspective. One will see that it has a feeling of being a tall tree.
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If one then splits the difference between the Horizon Line being higher, and lower... then one ends up with a Horizon Line in the middle. As in the following image.
A Horizon Line in the middle is going to give the most Straight on View... And what did we say earlier regarding straight on views? They are boring and lack interest visually. Often any padding done on the tree, will look flat, and one dimensional. Due here again to looking at the padding straight on from the side. So, it is best really when doing Bonsai, or any other art for that matter, not to choose this for the view of your art. If one, for some reason likes the view form this angle, I would still suggest, showing the tree slightly higher, or slightly lower. So, one isn't looking exactly straight on at the tree.

Here is a View of a tree with the Horizon Line centered.
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While we are here... I would like to cover another way one can still play with the perspective of the tree, and how one views the tree, without actually raising, or lowering the height at which one displays the tree. Yet still give the "illusion" of appearing either taller, or smaller. This is trough how one styles the tree... through wiring. If one wanted to give an appearance of a taller tree, one could wire the branching and foliage slightly upward. Obviously then if one wanted it to appear smaller one could wire down. You will see in the following images how this can still work quite effectively to accomplish the same thing as the tree's display height.

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Can anyone think of a scenario in which one might choose this route of wiring and styling the tree with a particular perspective in mind to give a taller/smaller feel, instead of choosing to just raise the height, in which one views the tree?
Any thoughts ???
Hmmm... On the trees you've drawn (very nice, by the way), I'm not so sure I agree with your horizon line. Since we only see the very front of the pot, to me, that puts the rim of the pot to be the horizon. Just so I understand, what about those compositions determines the horizon line to be where you've placed it?
 
It's interesting, Stacy, that the perspective you chose was not based upon the trees, or even the rock planter, but it was the stand that determined your determination of the vanishing point. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it does speak to how important the choice of stands and other display elements can be.

Take the traditional shohin box stand, for example. Usually, it's a powerful conifer on top. Usually a JBP. It's up high, so typically the viewer is actually looking up at it from below. It is, therefore, important to have excellent lower branches, pulled down low, so that it doesn't look like we're looking at the underside of the branches.
Thanks for the reply!
Sorry, there is some confusion...
I am saying that the Horizon Line , or eye line which one places the vanishing point on is actually established by the viewer and their height.

Reason for me saying so, is that the viewer is establishing all of what they are seeing and what we are discussing, in relation to their view.

They are the one's establishing how tall, or small a tree looks according to their own personal experience. I will give you an example. .. if a person is let's say 6 ft tall... when they walk out side and view trees, they see they are taller than they are. So, they naturally then come to an understanding that tree's are taller than them.

So, when they look at a bonsai, which is supposed to in theory be a miniature tree. For this "illusion" therefore to work, they would then have to have the tree appear taller than they are.

How, does a tree than appear taller then they are?

It is their eye sight, or eye line seeing this is how we see. So, if something is taller than us, we have to look up at it. If smaller, we look down. So, in order for a tree to look taller than they are, the tree must reach higher than their eyesight/eye line, or horizon. The higher it is above, the taller the tree will feel. The lower, the smaller.

Has little really to do with stands or display, other than this is the method in which we use to display to the viewer. If one puts a tree on a stand to small, the tree obviously will be lower in relationship to their eye line, their horizon.

Funny story... at one of the bars I was designing... I hung a mirror. Looked good to me, however I am 6 ft tall. The owner came in and asked why I hung it to high... he could not see himself. So, clearly everyone's horizon is not the same, and this also must be taken into account! Again, one must know their audience.
 
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Hmmm... On the trees you've drawn (very nice, by the way), I'm not so sure I agree with your horizon line. Since we only see the very front of the pot, to me, that puts the rim of the pot to be the horizon. Just so I understand, what about those compositions determines the horizon line to be where you've placed it?
The Horizon Line is determined by the eye line of the viewer. My post just before this goes into detail regarding it.
Thanks for the reply and the compliment, I appreciate it!
 
Wanted to add one more thing... Seeing it was brought up. The pot in bonsai for the most part represents the ground.

I say this, because if this was a real full size tree in nature... then we would be in theory standing above it.
Hopefully!

Also, wanted to add that none of what I posted regarding perspective is my own personal view regarding the subject. Only exception might be where I said I felt something was to low as in a stand.

What I am discussing is actually how we in a scientific method view everyday items in life. This is how we understand and come to terms with what we see, and how our minds comprehend what data it takes in.

We step over an object below us, because we understand it is small and we can step over it. We go around a large object, because it is tall and we understand we cannot cross over it by stepping.

Not trying to have an opinion either way on really any if it, one can figure out a way to make any of it work. This is just what is the reality of what perspective is.
One of the few things in bonsai one can't argue about!
 
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To go all technical on how all of this works... and for those of you who like math, I put forth the following proposal.

If one had a 12 inch bonsai and it was to in fact represent a 12 foot tree...

One would then say your bonsai is 1 / 12th of it's original scale.

That one inch represents a foot. And it takes 12 inches to make a foot.

Therefore, if we say that the average height of a human for argument sake is 6 feet, then in theory... you would want the viewer's horizon, or eye line somewhere around the 6 inch mark of your tree. Which would make it halfway up. Seeing this is where their height would normally end up on a full scale 12 foot tree.

A 12 foot tree is not to impressive however... so instead one would probably be better off lowering on the trunk of the tree where the viewer's eye line, or horizon line ends up.

If one goes down to the 3 inch mark... Then in theory, the tree should appear to be twice it's size, seeing you have decreased your average human height by half.

The tree then would then appear to be more representative of a 24 foot tree, just by lowering how it is viewed, and even though you have not increased the bonsai ' s height.
Right?
 
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how close or far away it is and where it lies within it's surroundings

I find that to be a very important and often missed or mixed. Building a near or far display is almost beyond Art and often Physics...

Grimmy
 
So then picking up where I left off...
How then can one possibly put any of this to use? Talking about stuff is fine and dandy... but if one can't actually use it...

So far I mentioned, how one can use it when displaying one's tree... whether it be at a show, a photograph, or even just sitting on your benches.
Then, I began to show how through styling of one's tree, you can also effect the perspective just by placement of branching and foliage.

Now, I want to examine how one can use it to help with the layout of the styling of a tree. Before I do, I would like to touch on one thing... that being that all of this is merely fundamentals of how things work... A guide if you will, to help with establishing one's Art. It should not be taken as necessarily as a requirement of what needs to be done... So, in the end "What LOOKS GOOD" will always trump all of what we are discussing. Yet, one will find that often using and working within these fundamentals of Art, in this case it being Perspective... that they will often assist, and work quite well in helping one establish their art!

With that said... lets see how one can use it to lay out the design.

In my previous post just before this one, I mentioned how one might be able to establish a Horizon Line, or Eyeline with a piece of material. It is determined by the viewer's Eye Line. Their Eye Line determined by their Height. ie. 6 ft.

Next, we would want to determine how big of a tree one hopes to make with a piece of material. Often, this will be determined by the trunks diameter, as well as one's view of what they see for the potential tree out of the piece of material. So, if one has a thin trunk, do they want to make it really short, as in a sumo, which has a very masculine feel. A more normal size tree in which the trunk to height ratio is relevant, or does one want a feeling of the tree being tall and lean, and perhaps more feminine. What ever one decides, is their choice, however... it will determine where one would want the viewer's Horizon, or Eye Line to end up being on the trunk. When one establishes at what height they would like to then see this at. One then would need to establish a point at this height in which one would like to build their design off of. This is the "Perspective Point", that we discussed earlier. This point will allow one to draw imaginary radiating lines out in all directions, and will help establish what or how in theory an branch could be styled to work within the parameters of the tree's perspective.

Now, I know this sounds confusing... but it is rather simple, we will show how it works in one moment. As to why one might want to do this... Earlier, we established how perspective, helps to add depth, so this is one reason... But, most importantly, when and where ever one is able to design their tree with perspective in mind... it does one really cool thing. It actually tells the viewer at exactly what height the tree is meant to be viewed at. Seeing as we just mentioned, we have established a "Perspective Point" on the trunk, where every thing is built off of and everything points back to. Also, seeing that the human mind likes regularity, this will also help to establish a harmony within the tree, seeing that in every day life our eyes see in perspective.

Sounds crazy... I know, but let's take a look!

In the following image one sees a deciduous tree. The foliage has been removed so one can more easily see the structure of the trunk and branching. One also on either side of the tree sees a line. This is our horizon line. This is where we want our viewer's Eye Line to end up. Now if one looks in the middle of the trunk at this Horizon Line, one will see a Black Dot. This is our "Perspective Point" that we have established. So, when designing our tree... we would want to line up as much as possible with this point, if we wanted to design our tree with perspective in mind.
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Now in the following picture we will insert over the top of the tree the "Vanishing Point Lines", which are imaginary lines that would radiate out from this point, and would show what direction any thing coming into contact with them would need to follow in order to be "In Perspective". So, perhaps we might want to design, or place a branch or foliage pad with this in mind. The more "Parallel" one could match a branch or foliage, the more it is going to show off the perspective.
Here is the picture with the Horizon Line, The Vanishing Point, and the Vanishing Point Lines.
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You will see, that with this tree, we are able for the most part, to really line them up! If one follows the Orange lines out from the center, you will see that allot of the branching really does match up almost perfectly. And all of this branching points right back down to where the Perspective Point is, and thus our Horizon Line.
Wanted to mention one other thing... I will not be discussing this in this thread, but will in another at a future point. But, often in really good art, an artist will actually establish and set up "Pointing Lines". What are these "Pointing Lines"? Often one might want to establish a focal point. A point in which one wants their viewer to look at and pay attention too... So, the artist will actually create within the art lines that act like arrows and point in a direction. Sometimes these lines can be an actual line within the art, in this case a branch, or perhaps a jin, or even a foliage pad. Other times these lines, might be more of a suggested line, as in a group of foliage pads pointing in one direction, a shaping of foliage, shadows that are created within the tree, etc. None the less, the goal is to try and make a viewer, look at a particular point, whether they know it or not. So, if one has a really cool feature of dead wood, perhaps they might want to work in some arrows pointing to it, to say look at me!

In the case of designing a tree with perspective in mind... The previous image and it's branching help point to where the Vanishing Point is, and thus where the Horizon Line is. So, one can see, as I previously mentioned... That this is where then one is suppose to view the tree at. Why, because we have established arrows, "Pointing Lines" to it. If one views the tree from this Horizon Line, the tree will appear to be very well balanced, and in Harmony.

Let's look at some more...

In the following picture, one will see a cascading tree. Now often to help establish that the tree is "Cascading" one would want to put the Horizon Line, or Eye Line lower than the actual rim of the pot. Because it is cascading, we want to give the feel of the tree being somewhat beneath us... But not so beneath us that it feels small. So, as one will see, in the following picture, by establishing the Horizon Line lower than the rim of the pot, it puts what is above the rim of the pot, in this case a bending down trunk and exposed roots, above the viewer's Eye Line, giving them an appearance of being taller. In this case the Emotional view this gives, is that it makes this section appear heavy, and thus gives a feel of being "Grounded", or "Stable", "Secure"... Which is the feeling one wants to give with a cascade. We don't want the tree to feel like it could fall off the side of a mountain at any time. Who knows? Perhaps one does? If so, then one might ant to consider how the tree is viewed, and designed...

One more thing I would like to add... often with a tree that is very one sided as this tree is... one will find it better to establish the actual "Perspective Point" not actually on the trunk, but perhaps instead out in space, beside the trunk. The main reasoning for doing so would be that if one has a tree that is very heavy to one side or the other, placing the perspective point off to the side, helps more to determined the center of the overall composition. In this case, seeing the pot comes into view of the design of the tree, it would be then considered, part of the overall composition. Seeing that the two are interacting and competing for the same space. Establishing the Perspective Point where we have, to the left of the pot and lower than the rim, helps establish balance, and thus harmony. Think of a fulcrum point.

Now, if we examine the Emotional side, and say this placement gives Harmony, and Balance to the composition. If the goal was to create just the opposite... one might want to move the perceptive point to either the left, or the right of where we have it. Careful consideration, however must be taken into account of what feeling it then gives the viewer, and if this is what you as the artist want to portray.
Here is the picture of the cascading tree.
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And here is the picture with the Perspective Point Line, radiating outwards, from the chosen point.
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Again, one can see, that in all actuality, here to we are able to design a tree that is not only cool to look at, but also, still manages to work with the perspective. What is cool here, is that the Perspective Point Lines, all point back to the space between the pot and the tree. As I mentioned before... the place where the two are competing for the same space.

Will continue later...
 
Sorry, had to cut out earlier for diner.

Anywho... Thought I would share some more examples of what I was discussing with my last post that I drew. So one may see how the practice could be out to use.

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Doesn't matter really how crazy the design, or what style one chooses for the tree. In this image you will see That the horizon line is perhaps a tad bit higher than where one might normally pick to place it... However, seeing there was a cool jin feature close, I decided to raise it a bit to draw more attention to it.

Here it is with the Vanishing Point Lines
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What's cool about this is well... is that if one designs with perspective in mind, One can actually work other things into this as well. You can adjust trunk lines, roots, deadwood features, etc. So, it begins to open up all kinds of different approaches, and ways of thinking when design your tree.

Here is a little shohin.
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And with it's Vanishing Point Lines
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And the last One, a Juniper.

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And with it's Vanishing Point Lines. Again, here it was decided to position the Vanishing Point of to the side of the trunk, to try and offset a mostly one sided heavy tree. By doing this, it helps to balance the tree... but also, draws attention to the nice area of Negative Space created by the trunk and the right branch.
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Any Questions so far?
So, am I to assume that with almost 400 views, everyone viewing this understands what is being discussed, or are you lost? Or, not interested?

If lost, that's cool, would be happy to explain any problems someone might be stuck on. If not interested, that's cool as well! Let me know, and I will not bother taking the time to post. Takes a lot of work putting it together, and offering it up for free... just trying to help.

I will be going into showing more ways one can use perspective when designing one's tree. The after we are finished with perspective, we have quite a few other basic fundamentals, we can move onto.
But, want to touch on Two Point Perspective and Three Point Perspective, briefly.

Figured I would ask before moving on. Because if one is stuck on what has been discussed so far, only going to get more complicated.
Thanks!
 
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Nice work and art put into this. I have to go back and read some parts again. Thanks, man.
 
Any Questions so far?
So, am I to assume that with almost 400 views, everyone viewing this understands what is being discussed, or are you lost? Or, not interested?

If lost, that's cool, would be happy to explain any problems someone might be stuck on. If not interested, that's cool as well! Let me know, and I will not bother taking the time to post. Takes a lot of work putting it together, and offering it up for free... just trying to help.

I will be going into showing more ways one can use perspective when designing one's tree. The after we are finished with perspective, we have quite a few other basic fundamentals, we can move onto.
But, want to touch on Two Point Perspective and Three Point Perspective, briefly.

Figured I would ask before moving on. Because if one is stuck on what has been discussed so far, only going to get more complicated.
Thanks!

I really like the concept and the drawings are beautiful. Can you point us to an example of a bonsai you feel best expresses the design ideas you're talking about here? I'd really like to see a tree designed this way.

I'd also like to return briefly to the practical display question I posed earlier. Let's say that you wanted to show this tree:

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For the sake of argument, let's say it's 2' tall, in a 4" pot and you've designed it to have the horizon line shown determined by eye level 6' off the ground. You've found that the display tables are 3' high - so your preferred horizon line is now 4' 4" off the ground, rather than the 6' you wished. A stand would help a bit, but one would never put this on a 1' 8" stand. How would you handle it?

Scott
 
Scott,

the grower would have to explain to the exhibition folk, just what is needed by the tree.

This is why down here all that is used,- is covered in paper boxes, with a long backdrop, long tables , for trees and no carved wooden tables.

The idea is the tree, not ornament.
Good Day
Anthony
 
I really like the concept and the drawings are beautiful. Can you point us to an example of a bonsai you feel best expresses the design ideas you're talking about here? I'd really like to see a tree designed this way.

I'd also like to return briefly to the practical display question I posed earlier. Let's say that you wanted to show this tree:

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For the sake of argument, let's say it's 2' tall, in a 4" pot and you've designed it to have the horizon line shown determined by eye level 6' off the ground. You've found that the display tables are 3' high - so your preferred horizon line is now 4' 4" off the ground, rather than the 6' you wished. A stand would help a bit, but one would never put this on a 1' 8" stand. How would you handle it?

Scott
Thanks for the reply!
To make it easy without confusing everyone with the math. Let me say that with all the discussion regarding display height, the point is to show your work to an audience and to have them see your vision. So, where ever it is that you see the tree's view height being, is where you should try and show it at. This way the audience sees your vision.

Now, with this said often in places like Japan, there are varying ways of showing one's trees and often they have symbolic reasoning for doing so... however, seeing we are not in Japan, and one has to understand that the good majority of your audience is not going to understand these reasonings, seeing they have not been exposed to them... they play no part in one's understanding of how your audience expects to view them.

In otherwords... if your audience expects to view artwork at eyelevel then showing a piece of art down by the floor is going to confuse folks. They are going to ask why is it displayed so low... perhaps this is what you want to do, who knows? If so, this needs to be represented in your story, so it's placement works and your audience gets it.

There have actually been studies done, examining a humans attention span...
What they have found is that the first 10 seconds are critical. This is where one sees an item, sizes it up so to speak, and decides if they are interested in seeing more or are they done.

This understanding is used in everything we come into contact with on a daily basis. Whether it is a TV add, a book, magazine, an advertisement, packaging of a product, etc. There are whole marketing departments that spend billions of dollars getting this right. Figuring out how to grab the attention if their audience, drawing them in, and trying to figure out ways to keep this attention on their product.

This as an Artist needs to be understood! You are creating a piece of art. You want the audience to see your art, you want the audience to continue to examine your art. Which is why thus we are having this discussion... What drags the viewer over, the initial impact of your art, what keeps them viewing, the depth and numerous layers within the tree... these layers give the viewer different aspects of the tree to look at, and most importantly. .. keep them looking. This is what we want!

What then happens when one walks up to a tree displayed low on a table? What is the first 10 seconds of their attention span consumed with? The thought, that they now have to bend over to look at your tree. Perhaps they will... perhaps they will just move on?

Next time someone posts a picture of their tree asking for help on this site and the photo is taken from above looking down. Stop and examine your thoughts when seeing it for the first time... are you willing to actually help? Or are you like, well, how can I help you seeing I can't see what's actually happening... perhaps you will take the time to ask the poster, to take a picture at eyelevel, so you can see what's happening. .. then wait until they do, and post it up... perhaps you will not return to comment on it, because you got busy doing something else...or perhaps you will just click away from the start, seeing the first 10 seconds told you that it would require more effort than just a simple answer?
 
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Their is a whole nother world involved with doing Bonsai, that no one ever addresses...

Just creating a tree or piece of Art is not enough. We have to begin to look as well at how we sell our art. By, this I mean present it to the audience. We have to begin as well to examine not only bonsai, and art fundamentals. .. but also our packaging so to speak. So, we also need to examine fields in which these types of fundamentals are used on a regular basis.

All of this makes up the total package. And greatly improves the look of the product. If you have a really nice tree, in a crappy pot, folks just take away from your art, why did they have the tree in a crappy pot. If you have a cool trunk, but the style is flat, and one sees all they need to see in a moment of viewing the tree, they just remember the cool trunk.
The goal is to have folks remember how great the overall package is.

This guy or girl, had an awesome tree not just the trunk, a cool pot, nice stand, beautiful accent plant, etc. The choice of all of what the artist did was spot on, and one fully understands the story they are trying to tell... They have their shit together! This person really understands and it's clearly evident they know what they are doing!
 
Just to clarify the thread title - Quote from Wiki ;)

"English[edit]
Etymology[edit]
From Middle English shovele, schovel, showell, shoule, shole (> English dialectal shoul, shool), from Old English scofl ‎(“shovel”), from Proto-Germanic *skuflō, *skūflō ‎(“shovel”), equivalent to shove +‎ -el ‎(instrumental/agent suffix). Cognate with Scots shuffle, shule, shuil ‎(“shovel”), Saterland Frisian Sköifel ‎(“shovel”), West Frisian skoffel, schoffel ‎(“hoe, spade, shovel”), Dutch schoffel ‎(“spade, hoe”), Low German Schüfel, Schuffel ‎(“shovel”), German Schaufel ‎(“shovel”), Danish skovl ‎(“shovel”), Swedish skyffel, skovel ‎(“shovel”), Icelandic skófla ‎(“shovel”).

Noun[edit]
shool ‎(plural shools)

  1. A shovel  [quotations ▼]
    • 1611 And the pots, and the shouels, and the snuffers, and the spoones, and all the vessels of brasse wherewith they ministred, tooke they away. (2 Kings 25:14, Authorized Version of 1611 (King James Version), 1611 edition)
    • 2003 And the pots, and the shovels, and the wick trimmers, and the ladles, and all the vessels of bronze with which they ministered, they took away. (2 Kings 25:14, Authorized Version of 1611 (King James Version), 2003 edition)
  2. A spade  [quotations ▼]
    • 2010 "shool spade see shovel" (A Bibliography of English Etymology, Volumes 1-2 by Anatoly Liberman, Ari Hoptman, Nathan E. Carlson, U of Minnesota Press, 2010, page 785)
Verb[edit]
shool ‎(third-person singular simple present shools, present participle shooling, simple past and past participle shooled)

  1. To move materials with a shovel.
    The workers were shooling gravel and tarmac into the pothole in the road.
  2. (transitive,figuratively) To move with a shoveling motion, to cover as by shoveling  [quotations ▼]
    • 1898 The Winter's Tale [Annotated] by William Shakespeare, H. H. Furness, page 236, [Annotation for line] 511. shouels-in...Jamieson (Scottish Dict. Suppl.) gives: 'Shool, A shovel' and 'To shool on, metaph. to cover, as in a grave.'
To shuffle or shamble  [quotations ▼]
  • 1988 Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Thesaurus, Merriam-Webster, ISBN 0-87779-169-4, (page 652), "scuffle vb...2 syn shuffle 3, scuffle, shamble, ||shool, shovel"; (page 669) "shambles vb syn shuffle 3, scuffle, shamble, ||shool, shovel"; (page 670) "shuffle vb syn scuff, scuffle, shamble, || shool, shovel"
Sorry could not resist that one -

Grimmy
 
Just to clarify the thread title - Quote from Wiki ;)

"English[edit]
Etymology[edit]
From Middle English shovele, schovel, showell, shoule, shole (> English dialectal shoul, shool), from Old English scofl ‎(“shovel”), from Proto-Germanic *skuflō, *skūflō ‎(“shovel”), equivalent to shove +‎ -el ‎(instrumental/agent suffix). Cognate with Scots shuffle, shule, shuil ‎(“shovel”), Saterland Frisian Sköifel ‎(“shovel”), West Frisian skoffel, schoffel ‎(“hoe, spade, shovel”), Dutch schoffel ‎(“spade, hoe”), Low German Schüfel, Schuffel ‎(“shovel”), German Schaufel ‎(“shovel”), Danish skovl ‎(“shovel”), Swedish skyffel, skovel ‎(“shovel”), Icelandic skófla ‎(“shovel”).

Noun[edit]
shool ‎(plural shools)

  1. A shovel  [quotations ▼]
    • 1611 And the pots, and the shouels, and the snuffers, and the spoones, and all the vessels of brasse wherewith they ministred, tooke they away. (2 Kings 25:14, Authorized Version of 1611 (King James Version), 1611 edition)
    • 2003 And the pots, and the shovels, and the wick trimmers, and the ladles, and all the vessels of bronze with which they ministered, they took away. (2 Kings 25:14, Authorized Version of 1611 (King James Version), 2003 edition)
  2. A spade  [quotations ▼]
    • 2010 "shool spade see shovel" (A Bibliography of English Etymology, Volumes 1-2 by Anatoly Liberman, Ari Hoptman, Nathan E. Carlson, U of Minnesota Press, 2010, page 785)
Verb[edit]
shool ‎(third-person singular simple present shools, present participle shooling, simple past and past participle shooled)

  1. To move materials with a shovel.
    The workers were shooling gravel and tarmac into the pothole in the road.
  2. (transitive,figuratively) To move with a shoveling motion, to cover as by shoveling  [quotations ▼]
    • 1898 The Winter's Tale [Annotated] by William Shakespeare, H. H. Furness, page 236, [Annotation for line] 511. shouels-in...Jamieson (Scottish Dict. Suppl.) gives: 'Shool, A shovel' and 'To shool on, metaph. to cover, as in a grave.'
To shuffle or shamble  [quotations ▼]
  • 1988 Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Thesaurus, Merriam-Webster, ISBN 0-87779-169-4, (page 652), "scuffle vb...2 syn shuffle 3, scuffle, shamble, ||shool, shovel"; (page 669) "shambles vb syn shuffle 3, scuffle, shamble, ||shool, shovel"; (page 670) "shuffle vb syn scuff, scuffle, shamble, || shool, shovel"
Sorry could not resist that one -

Grimmy
Thanks for the reply!
Sad as it may seem, unfortunately here at the Nut. There is no way to often go back and fix things like left out "C"s
One wishes they could... Often I am composing and posting up at 3 or 4 in the morning, after being up all day.
I do however feel like sometimes I am "Shooling" gravel into a big pothole in the road here at B-Nut... so perhaps it is not a mistake?
 
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