Chojubai with 2 colors

[vp999]

Just noticed my new Chojubai has both red and white flowers, anyone else seen this before ? At first I thought it was white from transition stage but as you can see the white flowers are full bloom , the cluster of red and white in the 2nd pic is actually 2 selerate flowers next to each other…. Pretty cool I thought.

 

[badatusernames]

Wasn’t aware this was a thing, very cool

 

[Bonsai Nut]

What?! Both red AND white flowers? Clearly a misfit. I will have to buy it from you for 50% off /sarcasm.

Keep us updated. What you want to see is genetic stability - ie the plant does the same thing year after year. Better yet, a branch that had red flowers one year has white flowers the next.

 

[vp999]

Yes I will...Rare to see a decent single trunk Chojubai so I will definitely be posting about this tree a lot lol.

 

[vp999]

Wasn’t aware this was a thing, very cool

I wasn't aware either ...Normally either white or red.

 

[Cadillactaste]

... and we are sure it's chojubai and not Toyo Nishiki? The foliage is dwarf?

 

[River's Edge]

... and we are sure it's chojubai and not Toyo Nishiki? The foliage is dwarf?

The appearance of the bark on the trunk, and leaf shape make me think of Toyo Nishiki as well. Are there any thorns present on your plant? Dwarf Chojubai have different shaped leaves more pointed and smaller with a tinge of red on the edge, Longer extensions of growth on dwarf chojubai will have thorns present.
Red and white flowers present at the same time are common on Toyo Nishiki.
That is a very nice looking tree regardless of cultivar. Lots of time and care went into that one. Nice acquisition!

 

[yashu]

That bark says chojubai to me, it looks very gnarly in those first pictures. My Toyo Nishiki has much smoother bark but both of my chojubai and my Toyo Nishiki develop thorns on untrimmed extensions with the thorns on the TN being much longer (and the foliage bigger as well). Love this tree!

 

[Cadillactaste]

The appearance of the bark on the trunk, and leaf shape make me think of Toyo Nishiki as well. Are there any thorns present on your plant? Dwarf Chojubai have different shaped leaves more pointed and smaller with a tinge of red on the edge, Longer extensions of growth on dwarf chojubai will have thorns present.
Red and white flowers present at the same time are common on Toyo Nishiki.
That is a very nice looking tree regardless of cultivar. Lots of time and care went into that one. Nice acquisition!

I agree...it's an amazing specimen. And Toyo Nishiki ... is a 3 color blooming cultivar. Extra special. Honestly ... I like it more knowing it's a Toyo.

 

[vp999]

... and we are sure it's chojubai and not Toyo Nishiki? The foliage is dwarf?

I have both .. Here’s my 3 color Toyo Nishiki … leaves are like 10x bigger with no bark.

 

[vp999]

The appearance of the bark on the trunk, and leaf shape make me think of Toyo Nishiki as well. Are there any thorns present on your plant? Dwarf Chojubai have different shaped leaves more pointed and smaller with a tinge of red on the edge, Longer extensions of growth on dwarf chojubai will have thorns present.
Red and white flowers present at the same time are common on Toyo Nishiki.
That is a very nice looking tree regardless of cultivar. Lots of time and care went into that one. Nice acquisition!

Thank you Frank ..It is definitely a Chojubai ..This is like my 12or 13th Chojubais in my collection at the moment.

 

[Cadillactaste]

Thank you Frank ..It is definitely a Chojubai ..This is like my 12or 13th Chojubais in my collection at the moment.

If you've that many chojubai...then possibly.

I know I have two Toyo. My ROR has much smaller foliage...than my other one. Crazy smaller foliage.

I also have three Asian jasmine...all three hold different size foliage yet same cultivar.

I just know Toyo have multi blooms. Though I've not permitted mine to bloom...I'm focusing on structure currently.

It will be interesting to see what your future years bring with this one. I did a quick Google search and found no multi blooming chojubai. Makes me wonder if one grafted the two together on yours. Does it look like a grafted branch?

 

[Canada Bonsai]

As @yashu noted, the bark of Toyo nishiki remains relatively smooth, even for older specimens

The leaf shape is also different.

Nothing about this tree says Toyo Nishiki

 

[Cadillactaste]

As @yashu noted, the bark of Toyo nishiki remains relatively smooth, even for older specimens

The leaf shape is also different.

Nothing about this tree says Toyo Nishiki

I was only going off of multi blooms.

I am curious how it will behave next year. I know Brent had some special hybrid Toyo...that reverted back to red. It's no longer for sale. They truly can do their thing.

I know Martin has a Toyo that threw red/pink on one bloom. It was so pretty. Quirky species. So it is possible...chojubai is doing that.

 

[Don Blackmond]

looks like a chojubai to me

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

looks like a chojubai to me

Definitely. Cool sport if it persists!

 

[vp999]

Yessir !

 

[River's Edge]

From another thread courtesy of Leo. Helps to understand the use of terminology and the discussion in this thread I think.

Post in thread 'Japanese quince vs chojubai'

Feb 1, 2020

All 'Chojubai' are Japanese flowering quince. But Japanese flowering quince is a common name for a group of species and hybrids in the genus Chaenomeles. There are many named cultivars of Chaenomeles only one of them is 'Chojubai'. The horticultural requirements of all Chaenomeles is pretty much identical. So what is said about 'Chojubai' pretty much applies to all of the rest. My personal observation is that small leaved cultivars are slightly less winter hardy than larger leaf, larger growing cultivars. Though in theory, when planted in the ground, all species are hardy...

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[vp999]

Thank you Frank !