Message on the Observance of Independence Day, 1981

[Brian Van Fleet]

The concept of Gay Marriage for one. Obamacare is a biggie that falls right into the wheelhouse of the issue I just mentioned. All of these things fall under the purview of the 14th Amendment: All things not granted to the Federal Government fall to the states.

That would be the 10th amendment.

 

[A Random User]

Vance, I am just glad you didn't bring up the NSA spying... Seeing that this was signed into law as we all know in 1981 by the great fighter of freedom, Reagan.

 

[michaelj]

Obama care as we all know was a Republican think tank concept for trying to figure out how to solve uninsured folks showing up at the hospitals and the tax payers having to foot the bill.

It was first enacted by mitt when governor... where was this unconstitutional talk then?

For what it's worth, there was a s4!t ton of talk about its constitutionality then, and it was only a single state's law. The constitutionality of Congress passing such a law raised even more issues.

But those issues are largely settled now, under the constitutional system that gives the final say to whichever majority or plurality of the SCOTUS says so.

 

[Vance Wood]

Because the Constitution does not give the Federal government the right to do what the SCOUTS to make law which is what they did here. They have been doing that for years starting with things like Roe v Wade. I don't want to argue whether any of this is right or wrong morally but the fact that they are outside the purview of the mandate to the court especially when the same document says that these rights and concerns are for the States to decide.

 

[Vance Wood]

What I am saying is that we are allowing the country to governed by mandate from the court not governed by the debate of the people of the individual states. I don't care who says it is Constitutional because the court says it's Constitutional. It's like the old adult excuse: Do it because I said so! I don't care who created a law or who passed it. What is important that each time we let something like this take place it chips away at our freedom. My granddaughter does not even understand the country that I grew up in.

 

[A Random User]

Sorry Vance... you are killing me here!
Your argument here is all over the place...
As well as the blame, and excuses for the right being just as guilty
of the so called unconstitutional acts you are so angry at the left for.

If one wants to concern oneself with the constitution, fine...
but, to run around pointing fingers is just plain silly

 

[A Random User]

For what it's worth, there was a s4!t ton of talk about its constitutionality then, and it was only a single state's law. The constitutionality of Congress passing such a law raised even more issues.

But those issues are largely settled now, under the constitutional system that gives the final say to whichever majority or plurality of the SCOTUS says so.

Not quite sure who you say was discussing it's constitutionality?
More than likely they actually were Democrats, seeing that they were forcing poor people to pay for insurance.
Let us not forget this was at the time when Hospitals, were routinely being found out for patient dumping... Putting patient's
in a cab who couldn't pay and sending them on their way. often still with their hospital gowns on.

Mitt's law was fully endorsed by the Heritage Foundation at the time.
Heritage Foundation was pretty much the leading GOP brain at the time, with very little opposition to anything they said.

Years later there was opposition from pro-lifers for the program co paying on abortions.

 

[Vance Wood]

This is going no where. Bye.

 

[A Random User]

This is going no where. Bye.

Agree... take care!

 

[michaelj]

Not quite sure who you say was discussing it's constitutionality?
More than likely they actually were Democrats, seeing that they were forcing poor people to pay for insurance.

There were a lot of people talking about it, although if you weren't in either (a) the legal field (b) the healthcare industry or (c) Massachusetts, you probably didn't hear as much about it. There was, also, of course, a legal challenge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform#Legal_challenges