My first Maple! Let's CHOP IT! lol

So leave the knob alone for now and plan on that being where I chop it later is what I'm hearing because that area is gonna become a problem down the road. lol
Just not seeing why I shouldn't take it out now.

I need to go find that video again. I probably misunderstood Jelle. I usually watch these bonsai videos around bedtime. I find them very relaxing to unwind from a busy day. You know who I really miss is that backgarden bonsai channel. He used to do regular updates and would put me to sleep fast. Anyone know why he vanished? I know he lost his young bride a few years ago, pretty sad story.

I'm in DFW quite a bit and tried to visit Metro, but I couldn't get in that day for some reason. I'll try again.
 
See my handle bar up the tree about 6".... I thought I heard jelle on youtube say if you have this, nothing happens below that. I might be wrong, but won't it just swell at that point and fatten up above? I know with maples, you really have to watch out for this issue and clip those dudes off.
I cannot see a problem with the tree so far. All the forks are V divisions. No sign of any opposite 'bar' branches or clusters of branches which are the ones that cause the problems with swelling. I suspect you may have misinterpreted what Jelle said? Jelle @leatherback is a regular here so you can probably ask directly about what you thought he said in the video.

All growth above any point on the tree makes it thicken below. I have not seen any case where nothing happens below a certain point, though with some slow growing species it mays eem that way.
You can certainly take off any parts that are causing concern. Anything you remove will slow thickening but I found that it's better to do that and spend a couple more years to reach what you want than to get there quicker but have an ugly or undesirable trunk.
 
Just not seeing why I shouldn't take it out now.
A question you should ask yourself is what do you want this tree to look like in its “finished” state. Once you set out your general goals, you can start to map out a path to get there. Specifically, how tall do you want the tree to ultimately be? Let’s assume one foot for discussion. The ultimate height of the tree can now guide you on how thick the trunk should be - some general guidance is a ratio of 1:6 to 1:12 of trunk thickness at base to height. Let’s assume you want 1:6 again for discussion - so you will want a 2 inch trunk for your 12 inch tree.

Fastest way to get thickening is to grow the tree freely. So one way to proceed is to let the tree grow wild for a few years to thicken it up. The purpose of this growth is get lots of foliage to perform photosynthesis and produce sugars - more sugars, more and faster thickening. In short, much of this growth is just “sacrifice “ growth - it’s there to power thickening and will be cut off when the time is right.

In these initial years of growth, maintaining a cute little tree is not the goal - in fact it is counterproductive if the goal is to obtain growth.

So your tree has grown wild for years and is now about 2 inches thick - now what? You chop it back!!! Perhaps it’s several feet tall at this point. You wanted a 12 inch tree, so what happens if you cut your tree back to 12 inches? Well, your 12 inch tree will be 2 inches thick from bottom to top - you have a thick branch, not a trunk with taper. Taper is an essential feature of creating a realistic tree, so this will never do.

You will need to cut lower than 12”, in fact chopping back to about 1/3 of the anticipated final height is a good rule of thumb. So after growing the tree really tall for years, the next step is to get it down to about 4” tall and start to grow the next section of trunk. This process of growing wild and cutting back will be repeated again and again to create additional sections of trunk that are progressively thinner than the ones below creating taper.

These chops are also a great place to create movement in your tree as the new leader (new section of trunk) can be grown out on an angle.

These are just general guidelines to express the concept of growing for thickening and cutting for taper and movement. I like to look at pics of bonsai and find trees that I appreciate. These give me guidance on what is possible for any given piece of material I get my hands on.

Looking at your tree, it has a very thin trunk at this point and its lower section is rather straight (also, is it grafted???). It needs time to grow, build up foliage and thicken. You seem to be focused on the “handles”, but perhaps you will be chopping this tree below the handles - maybe once you get your proper thickness, maybe earlier?
 
Not sure which video you saw. I do know in a recent video on pruning I made the point that branches thicken the trunk section below where they are attached, and not the trunk upwards of the connection. And that when developing I remove all branches that are beyong befirbications to avoid swellings.
 
There it is! Thank you very much for clearing that up for me. I do try hard to pay attention and very much appreciate the hard work you put into educating beginners like me.
In my beginner mind, I see excess swellings as wasted energy that could have been spent thickening up that trunk.

I'm gonna print that out dBonsaiw! Excellent beginner game plan in 50words or less.
 
I need to go find that video again. I probably misunderstood Jelle.
Here's a Jelle video I had saved in my favorites. It's about the use of sacrifice branches and he's very clear about the topics we are discussing here. Definitely worth the 10 minutes. FWIW (and at the risk of projecting), early on in my bonsai journey when I watched this and other videos I didn't really appreciate what we are trying to do in bonsai development and frankly missed or misunderstood a number of the important points being made. It wasn't until I worked with (and frankly mangled) some trees that I could go back and re-watch the same videos and learn a good deal more from what was being taught.


Bonsai is a funny hobby. We are supposed to envision our future tree and try to develop the material we have into that general vision. When starting out, however, it's very difficult to see what is possible and even harder to determine the path to get there.
 
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