Nebari, remove or let develop ??

[Waldo]

View media item 5299I am wondering if anybody would care to offer suggestions. I am wondering if this Austrian Pine should have some of this high nebari removed or let it develop. It has even more on the other side. The tree is in training and has outgrown it's pot. But I believe the tree has potential. If nebari is removed, how is that safely done and when ??
Thanks for any suggestions.

 

[Cadillactaste]

anyway to expose it more? Look into Neagari style.

 

[Tieball]

Well...I would not remove those roots. I like it’s gripping...I would definitely develop it and even let those grow thicker.

 

[Shibui]

It is hard to give good advice without a good look at the problem in question. I'm having trouble getting a good look at the nebari in that photo. Maybe some closer, clearer pics would help.

Whether to remove roots or not depends on what is underneath. Well spread and even roots gives us good nebari. If some individual high or crooked roots don't look good and there are better roots below then just remove the wayward ones. most trees have plenty of spare roots and will rarely miss a beat when a few roots are cut.
It becomes more complicated when there are no better roots below the ones you want to remove. That's when you need to consider root replacement therapy

 

[ihaveaspaceship]

You can pot it deeper when you next repot it. but i would leave the roots, they will thicken and look great further down the road.

 

[Japonicus]

In time the roots are going to bark up and all will, years down the road, meld.
Nice pine

 

[Japonicus]

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[Waldo]

It is hard to give good advice without a good look at the problem in question. I'm having trouble getting a good look at the nebari in that photo. Maybe some closer, clearer pics would help.

Whether to remove roots or not depends on what is underneath. Well spread and even roots gives us good nebari. If some individual high or crooked roots don't look good and there are better roots below then just remove the wayward ones. most trees have plenty of spare roots and will rarely miss a beat when a few roots are cut.
It becomes more complicated when there are no better roots below the ones you want to remove. That's when you need to consider root replacement therapy

Thanks Shibui, I have a couple of shots, front and back, better depicting the nebari. Let me know your thoughts.

 

[Waldo]

Your wiring needs a little help though...as does mine often
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Thanks Japonicus, I really don't have much wire on the tree. I want to just leave it grow. I have cleaned it up, hoping for more back budding this spring. Needed to get more light to the trunk . I will re-evaluate in spring and make decisions then.

 

[sorce]

Looks like they should be left.

But not like that.

It seems the wire has been destroying them.

That's gonna effect how well they look in the future.

Sorce

 

[Japonicus]

Nebari from hell

I have few targeted root correctional plans for this EWP just wanted to share a couple pics after I got in there and dislodged a few deep rooted weeds before Winter, excavate some moss and pull the old needles. The roots have bark on them, has moss has lichen on top of that. The lack of...

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here's a WP I have that I've left much uglier roots stay the course

 

[Japonicus]

Looks like they should be left.

But not like that.

It seems the wire has been destroying them.

That's gonna effect how well they look in the future.

Sorce

I'm the worlds worst for that. You're right. I found wire grown over by the nebari
on a JM I dug out of the ground last year




There was no grip that I could offer that would dislodge the wire with any pliers I had.
Of course it had been in the ground 10 years Had to cut the wire and leave it.

 

[Adair M]

Thanks Shibui, I have a couple of shots, front and back, better depicting the nebari. Let me know your thoughts. View attachment 268529View attachment 268531View attachment 268529

The problem here is the was the tree has been poorly potted in the past. See how it’s mounded up? And the soil has eroded away, leaving those exposed roots?

That’s why the proper way is to pot with the nebari level to the surface of the soil, and the soil should be level in the pot. There’s no erosion, and surface roots will grow out horizontal rather than down like a cone.

 

[Japonicus]

The problem here is the was the tree has been poorly potted in the past. See how it’s mounded up? And the soil has eroded away, leaving those exposed roots?

That’s why the proper way is to pot with the nebari level to the surface of the soil, and the soil should be level in the pot. There’s no erosion, and surface roots will grow out horizontal rather than down like a cone.

My JWP (on BP roots) nebari mounds up. Behoves me ∆
Came that way...is there anything that should be done at this point to begin remedy?
The roots are all unmovable now at this point in time for my tree.

 

[Vance Wood]

It is hard to give good advice without a good look at the problem in question. I'm having trouble getting a good look at the nebari in that photo. Maybe some closer, clearer pics would help.

Whether to remove roots or not depends on what is underneath. Well spread and even roots gives us good nebari. If some individual high or crooked roots don't look good and there are better roots below then just remove the wayward ones. most trees have plenty of spare roots and will rarely miss a beat when a few roots are cut.
It becomes more complicated when there are no better roots below the ones you want to remove. That's when you need to consider root replacement therapy

It becomes more complicated when there are no better roots below the ones you want to remove. That's when you need to consider root replacement therapy. This is of course the entire issue in a nut shell, you don't know what's below those little stragglers that masquerade as surface roots. I would bet there are many more roots below those in question. I have had trees like this and have never hesitated to cut them.

 

[Adair M]

It becomes more complicated when there are no better roots below the ones you want to remove. That's when you need to consider root replacement therapy. This is of course the entire issue in a nut shell, you don't know what's below those little stragglers that masquerade as surface roots. I would bet there are many more roots below those in question. I have had trees like this and have never hesitated to cut them.

I think that with expert repotting (half bare root repot), some detangling, some pruning, that over a couple of years and a couple of repots the nebari can be improved.

If left mounded, it’s only going to get worse.

 

[Potawatomi13]

Consider slight angle change? Lower these slightly below soil, raise roots slightly on opposite side with objective to even exposure all around tree. Neagari is also possible consideration as Cadillactaste siggested.