Oerc201
Mame
Thank you yeah thats my issue it is in nursery soil not my own so its a little harder to see. So just wait until is a little on the dryer side and water?
Sekka Hinoki trouble
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Thank you yeah thats my issue it is in nursery soil not my own so its a little harder to see. So just wait until is a little on the dryer side and water?
Japonicus
Masterpiece
Yes, though most often for my work schedule this becomes a proactive task
knowing it isn’t ready, but would be beyond critical to wait till late afternoon or evening.
Soooo, the nursery soil CAN be a positive thing.
Oerc201
Mame
Thank you i appreciate the info
Japonicus
Masterpiece
Quick update over the year. 1st Last December, then January looks almost dead, then 2 pics today.
I HATE DE 8822 has caused problems in almost every application including this repot for me.
Might as well use cracker crumbs. Today soil is topped with a few shakes of Asaake after removing some soggy moss
from the nebari.
Dec 2019
Jan 2020
Today got its first wire Nov 2020
Letting sunlight in
I HATE DE 8822 has caused problems in almost every application including this repot for me.
Might as well use cracker crumbs. Today soil is topped with a few shakes of Asaake after removing some soggy moss
from the nebari.
Dec 2019
Jan 2020
Today got its first wire Nov 2020
Letting sunlight in
penumbra
Imperial Masterpiece
I am glad it made it. It looked like a goner. I am had no issues with 8822 but I mix it with pumice, lava or anything else at hand.
hinmo24t
Masterpiece
good input. contrarily, my parents have two in ground hinoki (7' beauties) and they live a block from the ocean with harsh winters. in the Northeast of US.
the late season repot might have been the demise here...from my understanding theres much fewer trees that prefer that time of year for repot.
hinoki cypress are great looking in my opinion, hope the OPs recovers.
Japonicus
Masterpiece
Thanks penumbra. I've heard of inconsistent batches of NAPA 8822 guess I got one.
I've only lightly mixed it in, stays wet and smears like chalk if you try to pick it up once in use.
Very fragile, undersized, super dusty breathing hazard,
Thank you, you must have not read my post before yours.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
I suspect that somehow the soil broke down and the tree went through a spell of too wet of a condition. I have a few of the little beasties and winter is never a problem for me, I live in Michigan with Michigan winters and they do fine as long as kept out of the wind. and set on the ground.
misfit11
Omono
Nice work bringing this guy back. It looked like it was on the verge of grim death. You're not usually able to bring them back from that and especially a conifer. It looks like its got potential.
Japonicus
Masterpiece
Thanks Vance I think you're right. The soil was an unknown mix, and I did not bare root it when I potted it up
given its health. Had I only not used the DE this time I would feel better about it through 2021.
Are you saying you have several Sekkas or hinoki in general? Your answer is highly important
to me to better understand the cold hardiness of Sekka.
I'm 95% positive Sekka is Chamaecyparis obtusa chirimen, zone 5-9 as most hinoki.
The term or name Sekka only pertinent to the hobby and Japan.
Thank you @misfit11 . Plant City was willing to send a replacement in Spring if it didnt pull through, but 5 replacements
would never replace this, the best nebari in my collection. Wasnt risking wiring it earlier, but sure wish I could have now.
My Golden hinoki took a set back last year from generally gentle wiring. Now I'm paranoid yet again with this one.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
I would love to get my hands on a Sekka. Mine are the more common Gracilis nanna, and a couple I do not remember the species. I know another is a Verides.
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Japonicus
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Care guide for Hinoki cypress Bonsai (Chamaecyparis) - Bonsai Empire
The hinoki cypress Bonsai is really a “false” cypress (while the Cupressus genus is the “real” cypress). It is an evergreen coniferous tree native to Taiwan and southern Japan.
You can order Sekka from http://www.internationalbonsai.com/...hfrom=&searchto=&searchsmall_610780656=Search
for $65 #1 size when they come available. Currently unavailable. Pretty sure Bjorn has them for $149 pre bonsai.
I got one from international bonsai a page or 2 back in this thread Vance. Worth the price, but if Chirimen actually is the same
they're readily available at Conifer Kingdom for less than $50 #1 size.
@Vance Wood you're getting snow Tuesday.
Oerc201
Mame
Do you have pics of the sekka from international bonsai?
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
Thanks for the info. Hope you're right about the snow, we have had a very dry winter so far, it's been cold and dry.This link ^ at Bonsai Empire mentions both Chirimen and Sekka separately.Care guide for Hinoki cypress Bonsai (Chamaecyparis) - Bonsai Empire
The hinoki cypress Bonsai is really a “false” cypress (while the Cupressus genus is the “real” cypress). It is an evergreen coniferous tree native to Taiwan and southern Japan.www.bonsaiempire.com
You can order Sekka from http://www.internationalbonsai.com/...hfrom=&searchto=&searchsmall_610780656=Search
for $65 #1 size when they come available. Currently unavailable. Pretty sure Bjorn has them for $149 pre bonsai.
I got one from international bonsai a page or 2 back in this thread Vance. Worth the price, but if Chirimen actually is the same
they're readily available at Conifer Kingdom for less than $50 #1 size.
@Vance Wood you're getting snow Tuesday.
(Loads of edits, sorry)
Re the differences, I’ve got Sekka and Chirimen and they are VERY similar, Chirimen has whitish bits under the foliage and is a bit less “bubbly” where the new buds/shoots are. Neither are anything like Nana Gracilis which is huge by comparison and in my case can be mainly identified by it’s determination to drop all internal branches!!!
There‘s also “golden bud” and “silver bud” Sekka now according to Matsuyoshi’s videos on youtube << (WELL worth a watch)
I’ve got another “dwarf Hinoki” that’s much smaller than Gracilis and less annoying, still looks like the full size foliage but I can’t find a firm ID on it. I did think it was actually SAWARA Tsukumo but when I had them both to hand maybe not. Current best guess is it’s Tsuyama Hinoki (a region not a cultivar, like Itoigawa Juniper).
Tsukumo Sawara can look seriously similar to Sekka Hinoki as well according to google
Re the differences, I’ve got Sekka and Chirimen and they are VERY similar, Chirimen has whitish bits under the foliage and is a bit less “bubbly” where the new buds/shoots are. Neither are anything like Nana Gracilis which is huge by comparison and in my case can be mainly identified by it’s determination to drop all internal branches!!!
There‘s also “golden bud” and “silver bud” Sekka now according to Matsuyoshi’s videos on youtube << (WELL worth a watch)
I’ve got another “dwarf Hinoki” that’s much smaller than Gracilis and less annoying, still looks like the full size foliage but I can’t find a firm ID on it. I did think it was actually SAWARA Tsukumo but when I had them both to hand maybe not. Current best guess is it’s Tsuyama Hinoki (a region not a cultivar, like Itoigawa Juniper).
Tsukumo Sawara can look seriously similar to Sekka Hinoki as well according to google
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Japonicus
Masterpiece
post #44 a page back. I'll have to get a more up date photo here soon.
I plan to pot it up this Spring. This is one of those conifers you need to be proactive with
cleaning and pruning, and not delay styling as soon as it's healthy and recovered good, from any recent insults.
Thanks. Got a link for one ?
Would be nice to see pic of the difference in Sekka and Chirimen if you get the time
My Sekka both have the whitish light blue undertones, on the bottom of the foliage
as you can see in the pics of the new one in post #44
Japonicus
Masterpiece
well as weather has it, that post was nearly 2 months ago, so I haven't had a gander at the national radar
North of Ohio for a while. Emmisions release data, is one thing that has trended better with Covid.
My trees are tucked away at the back at the moment, will try to remember to take photos next time I reach them!
Japonicus
Masterpiece
1st pic it's on the right, was Feb 26 last year when I got it, 2nd and 3rd pic is this evening.
All my plants are going through a freeze/thaw cycle every day.
I normally keep everything under my sunroom all Winter, but just keeping them close by to it
and most on the ground this year. A couple nights coming ~ 20ºF so will move these under cover for those days.
So far I've only watered once this Winter with everything exposed.
Oerc201
Mame
Looks amazing thanks. I ordered mine 3 weeks ago but haven’t heard from them or received it yet.
