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Trident maple.
Height: 24"
Trunk: 3.5"
Pot: Jim Barrett
 

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Al...

I'd love to see this tree naked please... mind you... I said the tree.... so don't get too excited.;)
 

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Prolly about another week. The leaves were falling off as I carried it to photograph.
 

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Beautiful tree, great pot. One question - are you going to try to lower the second-tier foliage in the future ? The spaces between the first layer of branches and the second could be smaller, just my opinion, yours ?
 

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Beautiful tree, great pot. One question - are you going to try to lower the second-tier foliage in the future ? The spaces between the first layer of branches and the second could be smaller, just my opinion, yours ?

It's fall...everything is just too full right now. Spring looks best.



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Al...

I'd love to see this tree naked please... mind you... I said the tree.... so don't get too excited.;)

Here it is today...while the turkey cooks
 

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Branch angle

Al, I’m just curious about your plans for the branches as they appear very straight and parallel. Looking out my window at a large maple….. the biggest main branches have a lot of movement and droop downwards.
Cheers G.
 

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Al, I’m just curious about your plans for the branches as they appear very straight and parallel. Looking out my window at a large maple….. the biggest main branches have a lot of movement and droop downwards.
Cheers G.

Al's got pinus envy.

-rw
 

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hey RedW, was that really called for?
I'm trying to learn here, my question was not intended to be anything but related to Al's maple image and the one I see out the window.
Seems like your forte on this forum is sitting in the wings just throwing darts.
 

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Al, I’m just curious about your plans for the branches as they appear very straight and parallel. Looking out my window at a large maple….. the biggest main branches have a lot of movement and droop downwards.
Cheers G.

This question ties very well with another thread that I just posted: should deciduous trees have pads al all?

http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3112

This is not a critique of Al's maple. But may be we have a love affair with pads.
 
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This question ties very well with another thread that I just posted: should deciduous trees have pads al all?

http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3112

This is not a critique of Al's maple. But may be we have a love affair with pads.

When I go up to Warren's and we look at trees, it's always in the Kokufu books. The Japanese have it right, it's just our interpretation of what they do that is lacking. We Americans always want to put our own spin on things, but are not thinking anything that the Japanese haven't already thought about. I mean they have trees growing wild there too.
 

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This question ties very well with another thread that I just posted: should deciduous trees have pads al all?

http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3112

This is not a critique of Al's maple. But may be we have a love affair with pads.

Attila has more gently stated exactly what I was trying to get at. Sorry some found my pithy way of saying it to be abrasive. I probably should have said that Al has done a marvelous job of styling kaede as if it were pine, and that the total lack of any nebari on his tree does a beautiful job of suggeseting a horn angrily rising from the skull of a ram.

Great examples in that other thread, BTW.

-rw
 
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Attila has more gently stated exactly what I was trying to get at. Sorry some found my pithy way of saying it to be abrasive. I probably should have said that Al has done a marvelous job of styling kaede as if it were pine, and that the total lack of any nebari on his tree does a beautiful job of suggeseting a horn angrily rising from the skull of a ram.

Great examples in that other thread, BTW.

-rw

Al recently layered that tree to improve the nebari. The roots just haven't come of age yet. He was showing off the Fall color at any rate.
 

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Al recently layered that tree to improve the nebari. The roots just haven't come of age yet.

Excellent. Certainly the best way to get good roots on a trident or many other deciduous species for that matter. I look forward to seeing it in a few years, then; with proper repotting technique there's great hope for the nebari.

-rw
 
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I would suggest that Al did NOT style that tree as a pine, but that one of necessity builds branches line upon line, precept upon precept. I don't think it's a finished tree.
 

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I would suggest that Al did NOT style that tree as a pine, but that one of necessity builds branches line upon line, precept upon precept. I don't think it's a finished tree.

This is a great observation, I was thinking along the same lines (am I giving credit to Chris, or to myself here? - I better do not answer that :eek:). When building any kind of branch structure, one has to start with a basic skeleton (line upon line, as Chris puts it), and then expand that into a full blown crown. So, at the beginning, if one takes the basic skeleton as the finished product, the tree looks contrived indeed (and many bonsaists will stop there and be content with whatever the result is).But as one adds more and more layers to it, the foliage morphs into something much more complex and natural-looking.

I hope that Al intends to do the same with this one.
 

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This is a great observation, I was thinking along the same lines (am I giving credit to Chris, or to myself here? - I better do not answer that :eek:). When building any kind of branch structure, one has to start with a basic skeleton (line upon line, as Chris puts it), and then expand that into a full blown crown. So, at the beginning, if one takes the basic skeleton as the finished product, the tree looks contrived indeed (and many bonsaists will stop there and be content with whatever the result is).But as one adds more and more layers to it, the foliage morphs into something much more complex and natural-looking.

This is very interesting. I continue to learn from you guys...thank you.

-rw
 

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