Bonsai Nut
Nuttier than your average Nut
Not my tree... but supposedly won "first prize" at the Orange County Fair(?) (whatever that means).
What do you think about this zelkova?
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Jester217300
Shohin
I don't think it's a zelkova. The tree looks young, i.e. it's a bad bonsai.
Bar branches, development of branches/trunk with long internodes, minimal movement, no harmony to the design, puffs of foliage.
It's a tree with a gimmick. Unfortunately the gimmick really doesn't make the tree look any better and doesn't make it a better bonsai.
Bar branches, development of branches/trunk with long internodes, minimal movement, no harmony to the design, puffs of foliage.
It's a tree with a gimmick. Unfortunately the gimmick really doesn't make the tree look any better and doesn't make it a better bonsai.
Clicio
Masterpiece
Undeserved.
Well, I didn't see the other contenders, but this fake lightning strikes trunk bothers me a lot.
It's like it is screaming "man made! man made!"
just.wing.it
Deadwood Head
I think it's weird the show a tree( and have it win) when it's potted in an old pallet.
just.wing.it
Deadwood Head
And is that a rock on the soil surface...
I dunno man...
As for that styling, I think it's mildly interesting...but not a 1st place tree...unless it was up against a bunch of mallsai...
I dunno man...
As for that styling, I think it's mildly interesting...but not a 1st place tree...unless it was up against a bunch of mallsai...
Anthony
Imperial Masterpiece
Years ago this random critiquing of non members trees
was practiced briefly on an older forum.
It was stopped quickly.
Let us not get into this , it is rather poor form.
I would hate to see the types of arguments the owner
might make.
I hope one day this is not done to me.
This is not ------gods of bonsai forum.
Good Day
Anthony
was practiced briefly on an older forum.
It was stopped quickly.
Let us not get into this , it is rather poor form.
I would hate to see the types of arguments the owner
might make.
I hope one day this is not done to me.
This is not ------gods of bonsai forum.
Good Day
Anthony
Smoke
Ignore-Amus
Usually fairs have classes that exhibits get entered in. This was the winner of the “badsai” classification.
Looks like a ficus to me
Looks like a ficus to me
Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
I think...one could still do something with this tree. Maybe turn it a bit more...tighten the foliage pads...and rework a new apex by a chop.
Honestly I bet that scar sealed its win. 2D never shows everything. That its not in a pot...shows that the selections were possibly not specimen trees just yet.
Honestly I bet that scar sealed its win. 2D never shows everything. That its not in a pot...shows that the selections were possibly not specimen trees just yet.
JosephCooper
Shohin
Yeah, it looks pretty artificial . The inverse taper at the top bothers me the most.
Needs to be reduced, like Cadillactaste said.
Needs to be reduced, like Cadillactaste said.
Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
The only reason I did a virt...there is potential there...though...my stomach twisted a bit...at this post. Is this our new direction? Critiquing non-member's trees? It seems we could offer so much more advice to participating members...no?
I left a FB group...when this was the norm over members trees. So this has me slightly saddened..at sort of...a sad fork in the road.
If the tree is not a members tree...I will do my best...to see the swan in the material.
Edit: But...this maybe my last post to nonmembers trees. Offering advice to one who can decide to chew on it or spit it out is more in my comfort zone. Sorry
I left a FB group...when this was the norm over members trees. So this has me slightly saddened..at sort of...a sad fork in the road.
If the tree is not a members tree...I will do my best...to see the swan in the material.
Edit: But...this maybe my last post to nonmembers trees. Offering advice to one who can decide to chew on it or spit it out is more in my comfort zone. Sorry
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just.wing.it
Deadwood Head
I hear you, and I agree..
With that said, if my trees were critiqued behind my back....well 2 things, first, I wouldn't know about it, and secondly, of I did come across a thread of people criticizing my tree, I would be ok with it.
Not to say that I wouldn't say something to attempt to defend myself, but it's a great learning experience to see/hear others honest opinions.
I think that it is actually a good way to get honest opinions from people...
Have you ever seen videos online of show critiques???
The artist doing the critique walks up to a tree that he wants to say something about, but first he asks if the owner is in the room...
When no one raises their hand, out come the long knives...
If I had a tree in a show, and a professional was there to critique trees he or she wants to critique, and they walked up to my tree with a smirk on their face, and asked "is the owner of this tree here today?" As long a peer doesn't rat me out, I'd not raise my hand. Then I could get their honest opinion without them being worried about hurting my feelings.....which wouldn't happen anyway, but you know how people are...
Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
I get that...its why on the group I left...I participated. Then...they attacked one more than critique. Three thread posts of same topic,same material...same artist...I guess...Part of me is afraid we will turn into that group I left. I was sickened to have been part of that. I just hope...it doesn't come to the ugliness I know is hidden behind some posts that was on a Facebook group. That...is my fear...because...I lived it. It was ugly. ?
Clicio
Masterpiece
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Yes, I don't feel comfortable at all when the owner of the three is not present to explain her/his creative process and visions about the work done to the tree.
The critique is not useful to the absent person.
Yes, I don't feel comfortable at all when the owner of the three is not present to explain her/his creative process and visions about the work done to the tree.
The critique is not useful to the absent person.
0soyoung
Imperial Masterpiece
SUX
Anthony
Imperial Masterpiece
@just.wing.it ,
This is how we do it.
First we ask - Who would like a critique?
Second - Let the owner explain
Third - Ask questions - get the owner to further explain.
Normally when someone puts up a tree in a display or asks for
a critique. You take the time to see if what they really want is
admiration.
Remember as folk age, they need to have a reason for having lived.
Achievements.
Even if the effort is weak, look for positives and encouragement.
If the person is strong they will know their weaknesses and you adjust
to suit.
Learning how or when to critique is itself an "Art"
If you really want to improve, take the master by the nose and go privately,
say this ----------- I want / need to grow ------------ demolish me - Critique please.
You may not know this we have at least 10 folk down here growing Bonsai
since 1993 and growing them well---------- with no back branches - poor instruction.
What good would a critique do ?
Ahem - cut them down and start over ?????????
No can hurt folk like that.
Good Day
Anthony
Visual examples
Ladder tree - as was gifted to K - being reworked - back branch did not exist.
Reworked
early 2017
This is how we do it.
First we ask - Who would like a critique?
Second - Let the owner explain
Third - Ask questions - get the owner to further explain.
Normally when someone puts up a tree in a display or asks for
a critique. You take the time to see if what they really want is
admiration.
Remember as folk age, they need to have a reason for having lived.
Achievements.
Even if the effort is weak, look for positives and encouragement.
If the person is strong they will know their weaknesses and you adjust
to suit.
Learning how or when to critique is itself an "Art"
If you really want to improve, take the master by the nose and go privately,
say this ----------- I want / need to grow ------------ demolish me - Critique please.
You may not know this we have at least 10 folk down here growing Bonsai
since 1993 and growing them well---------- with no back branches - poor instruction.
What good would a critique do ?
Ahem - cut them down and start over ?????????
No can hurt folk like that.
Good Day
Anthony
Visual examples
Ladder tree - as was gifted to K - being reworked - back branch did not exist.
Reworked
early 2017
just.wing.it
Deadwood Head
Well put Anthony, and I agree...
Once last year, I almost posted pictures of 4 bonsai trees that I had randomly seen at a customer's location, which happens to be a huge magnificent gardens and museum here in DC....
But I thought twice, because I don't know who's trees they were, and I certainly didn't have permission to do so....
Even though they were nice trees, figured that doing that would possibly end badly for me, the owner, everyone involved...
just.wing.it
Deadwood Head
Bonsai Nut
Nuttier than your average Nut
Perhaps I should have given a little more context.
This tree is currently for sale on eBay for a fair amount of money. In my opinion, if you put your tree up for sale on eBay, you are putting out the welcome mat for public critique.
I have no idea whose tree it is other than it is for sale.
MrFancyPlants
Masterpiece
It reminds me of a tuning fork.
Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
True...Ebay is different entirely. Thanks for clearing up the post. Just we had one earlier taken from a group... of a nonmember. So I am I guess a bit on edge with my recent experience that left a fowl taste in my mouth.Perhaps I should have given a little more context.
This tree is currently for sale on eBay for a fair amount of money. In my opinion, if you put your tree up for sale on eBay, you are putting out the welcome mat for public critique.
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