When to cut stubs flush?

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I have a number of pines (JBP and shore) that have had branches cut off, leaving a stub of an inch or so, as is seemed to be the recommended practice. My question is how long to wait until you can cut the stub off flush to the trunk so it can start healing over?
A season? A year? Do you do a concave cut on pines?
 
I'm not certain about the JBP/ shore, but with mugo, I prune to the trunk at the initial cut with concave and never had an issue (remember the cut paste though).
I've always left a stub for dieback on deciduous.
 
I've done all of the above. But I prefer less than one "active" season. I want to know nothing below is dying, and that fluids get redirected. After that, it's wounding and healing time.
 
I've done all of the above. But I prefer less than one "active" season. I want to know nothing below is dying, and that fluids get redirected. After that, it's wounding and healing time.
And I do try to cut concave, or even better; use a box cutter to cut a live strip on the wound -> | |
A flap like that. And fold back from the wood, make the concave cut, then fold it over the wound so that it hits the edge on the opposite side. Secure with some tape. There's a 90% chance of failure, but if the tissues align, you just saved yourself 2 years. If it fails, you're back to a regular wound.

Another option is to carve the stub.
 
I've done all of the above. But I prefer less than one "active" season. I want to know nothing below is dying, and that fluids get redirected. After that, it's wounding and healing time.
i’m not sure what you mean by preferring less than one active season - so, say you prune a branch off in early spring, leaving a stub … do you then go and cut the stub off flush less than one season later, like in early summer?
 
I think this will depend on the vigor/size of the tree combined with the size of the wound relative to that tree, but if you're coming from deciduous practice it's something like an order of magnitude less risky to cut flush regardless of which pine we're talking about.

I have not had issues with cutting smaller branches flush. But I've also never regretted leaving a stump and working with it the following year if the plan for that stump was to cut it flush. If you are the patient type and restraint comes easy, then I would say the only time I have actually regretted waiting was when the ultimate plan was to treat it as a jin, since it becomes much harder to work with the wood the following years. If you're not planning to jin or carve that stub though, then in my experience it's fine to leave it till the following year. But the smaller it is, the less that matters.

From a pine-beginner point of view, it is very reassuring to nibble away at a "left behind last year" stub with a spherical cutter and confirm with your own eyes that yep, every bite you make into the wood is revealing properly dead (brown) wood, and that this section of wood has been fully sealed off by the tree, meaning the risk of a sudden sap flow drop has now passed. If there's any life left in that stub, it might be at the base, and you'll keep nibbling until you find yourself nearly flush and ready to cut out a concave area and re-expose some encircling live cambium. If nothing else it is a nice way to gain understanding about what actually happens to that stub over time with a given pine and calibrate your personal preferences vis a vis stubs.

FWIW, regarding shore pine: I have taken big risks with both shore pine and lodgepole pine to the point where I'm convinced that you can go completely bananas with this sort of stuff. Never mind cutting branches flush, how about tearing off huge portions of trunks, strong/daring bends, etc. I've found these to be low risk as long as the tree in question is vigorous and you have strong foliage above to maintain sap flow where you need something to survive. Tiny shore pine buds that sit merely 2 or 3 mm away from freshly-carved-open trunk innards can survive on such a tree. So in that case, cutting a branch flush is very low risk. If you want to try daring moves like these, I would recommend that you grow a very strong sacrificial leader or sacrificial branch somewhere "above" the intended carving/flush-cutting area to keep sap flow past your wounds strong. And it may be wise to do risky moves like these in midsummer when you have plenty of runway left in the season for active/immediate healing.
 
On BRT, I leave it until I know the branch has died back to the previous node.

Mugo and scots, I leaveat least a year. Maybe two
 
I have a number of pines (JBP and shore) that have had branches cut off, leaving a stub of an inch or so, as is seemed to be the recommended practice. My question is how long to wait until you can cut the stub off flush to the trunk so it can start healing over?
A season? A year? Do you do a concave cut on pines?
The stub is left in proportion to the size of the stub usually.
The key is to allow some time for the tree to adjust and then finish the cut before it dies back too much. For a rough guideline I would consider finishing most stubs of 1 inch or less within three months.
Often when I leave a very long stub for example removing the apical sacrifice leader to reduce the trunk. In this case I would wait until approximately the same time the following season.
Just the manner in which I was taught to perform this practise.
 
It is an interesting question. I am looking more and more at whether the timing of the cut affects the sort of healing you might get, and whether wounds heal better after leaving a stub in place for a bit, so that the callusing over is done under les pressure and result in less bulging at the cutsite... Judges are still out. Following this thread to see what experiences come up here.
 
i’m not sure what you mean by preferring less than one active season - so, say you prune a branch off in early spring, leaving a stub … do you then go and cut the stub off flush less than one season later, like in early summer?
Yes, exactly. If the wood dries inside the stub, it's going to be problematic to cut sometimes, and healing seems to be delayed too because there is no "wounding response" in dead wood.
 
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