Is this a Shimpaku?

[Japonicus]

Sorry another ill documented if not the worst documented of all my bonsai.
I'm pretty sure this came from Lowes when they used to carry decent 1-3g landscape plants here.
Anymore not so much.

I'm sure I would remember seeing Shimpaku on a label/tag but this one escapes me.
It does have a couple berries like Shimpaku displays, but I think upper branches are more pliable

Displaying both needle but mostly leaf/needle foliage is why I ask, plus general care difference.
I guess perhaps the needle foliage could be juvenile?

 

[RichS]

Parsoni?

 

[Japonicus]

I'm pretty sure it was a Hollywood. They exhibit the same berries and I bought one 8' tall
for $25 from the discard pile at a local landscaper/nursery no longer in business.
Also bought 2 dwarf WP on their own roots then too. Miss that place.

 

[RichS]

Sorry I probably shouldn't even be offering a suggestion lol. I've never heard of Hollywood. I know that I bought what was suppose to be a shimpaku and they sent me a parsoni and it looked very similar to that.

 

[CamdenJim]

Looks like parson's juniper to me: Juniperus chinensis 'Parsonii'. Related to a shimpaku, but more likely to throw needle and scale foliage at the same time on the same plant. Also more likely to be leggy and less compact than a shimpaku.

 

[Japonicus]

Parsoni?

No I believe the Parsons juniper is strictly needle foliage best I know.

 

[Japonicus]

Looks like parson's juniper to me: Juniperus chinensis 'Parsonii'. Related to a shimpaku, but more likely to throw needle and scale foliage at the same time on the same plant. Also more likely to be leggy and less compact than a shimpaku.

I don't know. Here's what I'm looking at as to the needle foliage for Parsonii. Not the pictures, that's unknown in this guys repot.
It's in what he says about the Pasonii https://adamaskwhy.com/2013/07/24/a-juniper-bonsai-wait-adams-doing-a-juniper/

 

[RichS]

Like i said im probably not the best guy to say what is or isn't. But here's my parsoni. When I first got it (eBay vendor sayin it was shimpaku and it wasn't this tree. One of my first learning curves about doin more research before I buy ?)it had 100 percent needle foilage. Even though it wasn't what I bought i couldn't be mad at the tree right lol. But after a while and a couple immature prunes (still learning ) it started shooting out juvenile foilage. Most big box store nurseries carry these in abundance down here in Florida. I've been to all of them and have never been able to find shimpaku or any of its best known cultivars (kishu itoigawa) but like CamdenJim was saying parsoni is listed as Looks like parson's juniper to me: Juniperus chinensis 'Parsonii. But as for your tree I could be mistaken?

 

[RichS]

Mine

 

[RichS]

Kishu shimpaku foilage

 

[RichS]

New growth

 

[RichS]

If you really zoom in on Adams first pic you will see some juvenile shoots.

 

[Lazylightningny]

Parson's are not strictly needle foliage, only immature foliage is needle-like. I agree this looks like a Parson's. I have several.

 

[Lazylightningny]

I don't know. Here's what I'm looking at as to the needle foliage for Parsonii. Not the pictures, that's unknown in this guys repot.
It's in what he says about the Pasonii https://adamaskwhy.com/2013/07/24/a-juniper-bonsai-wait-adams-doing-a-juniper/

He's not the most authoritative subject.

 

[Japonicus]

Parson's are not strictly needle foliage, only immature foliage is needle-like. I agree this looks like a Parson's. I have several.

Found this yesterday after I started this thread.
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/is-this-shimpaku.31712/#post-524441
Perhaps @Bonsai Nut may have the same input for this query.
Thing is, it's not as aggressive a grower as the landscape Torulosa (Hollywood) I had.
Then again, being in a pot generally slows things down, save for one Sargents juniper I have.
I bought 2 at the same time, and one is full of gumption in pot or in ground. The other, pretty slow.
The faster growing one, I cannot keep up with the growth.

He's not the most authoritative subject.

LOL nor am I, or I wouldn't be asking,
nor would I have assumed that Parsons was strictly needle, based on a few pictures.
Whatever it is, I got it repotted yesterday, and would like to tag it properly.





This one has some long bare branches. It back buds but not where I would like so much
so I plan on an apex reduction, and heavier branch reduction eventually to even up where the back budding has occurred
in relationship with other branches.

 

[bonsaichile]

No I believe the Parsons juniper is strictly needle foliage best I know.

Juvenile foliage is needle, mature, scale. It can have both present at the same time, depending on stress level

 

[milehigh_7]

Parsoni?

yep parsoni


Check this old thread out...


https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/single-seed-juniper-juniperus-squamata.4758/

 

[Japonicus]

yep parsoni


Check this old thread out...


https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/single-seed-juniper-juniperus-squamata.4758/

Thanks Clyde, your trunk is much lighter and more smooth in your pictures.
1st I thought age difference, but yours came from a 4' tall plant with 2.5" caliper.
I have a procumbens like that I got off eBay last year. The trunk looks little like my other procumbens.

In your thread Smoke said it's got a strong growing trunk (Parsonii) and leggy branches. May be an I.D. fit for me too.
Anyway, like Shimpaku, Parsonii requires no acid, does better in alkaline conditions. This is news to me
since the Shimpaku comes from limestone areas in Japan. I need to know that since I use "Mir-acid" monthly
on my conifers. Always have, including this tree, and Shimpaku that has not balked at the monthly acid dose.
Guess I should remove that from its diet.

 

[twisted trees]

Sorry another ill documented if not the worst documented of all my bonsai.
I'm pretty sure this came from Lowes when they used to carry decent 1-3g landscape plants here.
Anymore not so much.

View attachment 184665View attachment 184666View attachment 184667View attachment 184668I'm sure I would remember seeing Shimpaku on a label/tag but this one escapes me.
It does have a couple berries like Shimpaku displays, but I think upper branches are more pliable

Displaying both needle but mostly leaf/needle foliage is why I ask, plus general care difference.
I guess perhaps the needle foliage could be juvenile?

It looks like a weak shipaku to me that is starting to regain it vigour. It is not uncommon for shipaku to shift for a short time to a needle juniper type growth when sudden vigor returns or there is a hard pruning on a vigourous tree.

Procumbens will do the opposite. It will exhibit a Sargents type flush of growth when it encounters sudden vigor or a hard pruning.

I see vigor returning to the top of the tree and not so much on the bottom. Whatever the variety, the top need to be reduced about 1/3 before the bottom croaks.

 

[Japonicus]

It looks like a weak shipaku to me that is starting to regain it vigour. It is not uncommon for shipaku to shift for a short time to a needle juniper type growth when sudden vigor returns or there is a hard pruning on a vigourous tree.

Procumbens will do the opposite. It will exhibit a Sargents type flush of growth when it encounters sudden vigor or a hard pruning.

I see vigor returning to the top of the tree and not so much on the bottom. Whatever the variety, the top need to be reduced about 1/3 before the bottom croaks.

Thank you for the input. I just worked the roots hard yesterday so limited to what pruning I can do.
I did some just to clean up for wiring and only a few suckers I call them (many more to go), and small dead twigs.
The bonsai in training, has been neglected with very little care for a couple years, and why the
bottom has been croaking. For some reason I lost interest in this nice nursery stock I got.
With a small amount of attention, it's looking promising. A great subject to learn how to graft on
No nurseries around these parts sell Shimpaku by that name, but care will be the same I'm sure.