Smoke and Mirrors - 003

[Smoke]

Arguing over it is better than nobody talking about it IMHO. I like the changes.

Thanks. Your post reminds me of looking at Facebook auctions and seeing all the “bumps” recently. It seems that if there is no interest in the material there will be no offers.

Thanks all.

 

[Paulpash]

A well executed pine style elm. You make reference to this style quite a bit in several of your posts over numerous trees: elms & tridents especially, often, so I perceive, in a disparaging manner.

So I wanted to ask you if this opinion was wrong and you preferred this style to the classic 'up and out' approach?

We all have a 'default' way of building branches. Would you say that this style is your normal way of hanging a branch structure on a tree or do you prefer others in your collection with a more naturalistic 'freer' approach?

 

[AlainK]

A well executed pine style elm.

Yes, but I find the tree is very elegant. I like it a lot.

I tend to prefer naturalistic trees, but more out-of-the-norm, or even "phantasmagoric" specimens can make a good impression too...

 

[Smoke]

A well executed pine style elm. You make reference to this style quite a bit in several of your posts over numerous trees: elms & tridents especially, often, so I perceive, in a disparaging manner.

So I wanted to ask you if this opinion was wrong and you preferred this style to the classic 'up and out' approach?

We all have a 'default' way of building branches. Would you say that this style is your normal way of hanging a branch structure on a tree or do you prefer others in your collection with a more naturalistic 'freer' approach?

Its a means to an end. I didn't grow the trunk. The grower left no other options with this tall tapering trunk. So you make lemonade. Trees, elms I have grown myself I have plenty that look like trees.

 

[Paulpash]

Its a means to an end. I didn't grow the trunk. The grower left no other options with this tall tapering trunk. So you make lemonade. Trees, elms I have grown myself I have plenty that look like trees.

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"The grower left no other options with this tall tapering trunk. So you make lemonade."

That's why I prefer growing my own trees - you can only blame yourself for the positive and the negative. One last question, why did you buy the trunk if you felt like it was a 'lemon'? You obviously have a very well trained eye with so many years in the game.

 

[Smoke]

"The grower left no other options with this tall tapering trunk. So you make lemonade."

That's why I prefer growing my own trees - you can only blame yourself for the positive and the negative. One last question, why did you buy the trunk if you felt like it was a 'lemon'? You obviously have a very well trained eye with so many years in the game.

Post them up. Start your own threads here and we can all benefit from your self grown expertise. That's the way I will learn....fair?

 

[Paulpash]

Post them up. Start your own threads here and we can all benefit from your self grown expertise. That's the way I will learn....fair?

How can you learn if you buy in trunks for the most part? I'm not being picky or negative Al. I'll post some works in progress tomorrow

 

[Smoke]

How can you learn if you buy in trunks for the most part? I'm not being picky or negative Al. I'll post some works in progress tomorrow

How do you know that. You have no idea whats in my backyard or whats in the ground or what I'm growing. This is all speculation on your part. Read all the words in this thread, not just look at the pictures. Lets review the words as I wrote then when this was written, and I think it is clear and not needing repeating, which I have done. Just for you. Pay extra attention to the words highlighted by bold and red. Those are the words that should have been clear as a window pane.

Cork Elm

I purchased this tree from a friend of mine that grows material in the ground. He grows everything from elms, quince, maples, pines and junipers. It is a great thing to have a person who is a personal friend that has the property to grow things and also be generous enough to share them with his friends. In this case I build stands for him and we trade that out in material. This tree was dug in 2013. I have alluded to the pitfalls of material grown out for bonsai and some of the things to watch out for. Most deciduous trees grown out for bonsai are not really great for bonsai if you are a purist and want a deciduous shaped tree. I mean that growers seem to spend all their time pruning and chopping for taper and forget that deciduous trees don't look like pine trees. They look like tree you might find in a meadow with a trunk forking gracefully many times as it reaches skyward. That would be the ultimate.

Trees grown in this shape tend to be confined to styling in only one way. Pine tree style. Sure a person can induce some forking on side branches, but the progressive look of the tree will continue to harbor that long tapering trunk line conducive to good pine trees. I wanted this tree anyway and was bound and determine to make something good from it no matter what. So in the winter of 2013 I dug it and started to work. I pruned off everything except that first branch that I though was going to be the focal point of the tree. "I'll work around that"

Now its 2016 and It's time for a different idea. This tree is not carrying its weight on the bench and if something does not change then it will become raffle material. I have an idea. Just maybe this will work.

More clear? The words are all there, you just have to read them. Please click to expand the quote I wouldn't want you to miss all the pertinent text.

 

[Paulpash]

How do you know that. You have no idea whats in my backyard or whats in the ground or what I'm growing. This is all speculation on your part. Read all the words in this thread, not just look at the pictures. lets review the words as I wrote then wehn this was written, and I think it is clear and not needing repeating, which I have done. Just for you. Pay extra attention to the words highlighted by bold and red. Thoses are the words that should have been clear as a window pane.






More clear? The words are all there, you just have to read them.

I know that because you said as much in another thread - make your mind up! I distinctly remember you saying you didn't have the space to grow your own, or rather didn't want to give up the space. You're a bit of a pretzel - twist n turn to make a point.

"Material is so cheap here that it's easier just to buy it in" blah blah, in the thread `what does $xxx material look like'? I replied that you could just grow your own and showed a few growing out. Sheesh mate get a grip.

 

[Smoke]

I know that because you said as much in another thread - make your mind up! I distinctly remember you saying you didn't have the space to grow your own, or rather didn't want to give up the space. You're a bit of a pretzel - twist n turn to make a point.

I didn't say anything about them being in my ground. You don't know anything about me at all.

 

[Paulpash]

So what? A random trident in a patch of ground? Dude, don't go playing the grow my own card after years of saying you mostly buy stuff in. Frankly I don't care if you grow yours on the moon - just be consistent!

 

[Smoke]

I know that because you said as much in another thread - make your mind up! I distinctly remember you saying you didn't have the space to grow your own, or rather didn't want to give up the space. You're a bit of a pretzel - twist n turn to make a point.

"Material is so cheap here that it's easier just to buy it in" blah blah, in the thread `what does $xxx material look like'? I replied that you could just grow your own and showed a few growing out. Sheesh mate get a grip.

Love the edit... context means everything son. That thread had to do with people spending 300.00 dollars on a Ryan Neil video and working with 25.00 material. The thread was meant to show the difference of maybe spending the extra money on 300.00 material and see what "You" the artist can come up with. And your right I do buy most material I work with. I do it for the same reasons Mach5 and Adair, BVF and Judy do. Its quicker and I can!

I'll go check out the post and see what you posted. I'm all goose pimply waiting to see this masterpiece material.

 

[Smoke]

So what? A random trident in a patch of ground? Dude, don't go playing the grow my own card after years of saying you mostly buy stuff in. Frankly I don't care if you grow yours on the moon - just be consistent!

Your an ass...I owe you nothing

 

[Smoke]

I replied that you could just grow your own and showed a few growing out. Sheesh mate get a grip.

I looked at your post. Are you telling me you didn't purchase any of that material? You started it all from seed or cutting? You have the photo's to back that up? Or is this more bullshit? I do this shit all the time, have countless threads here to show it. Your so full of bullshit you don't even know how to argue your own point. And for the record, nothing you showed is remotely worth 300.00 dollars, now, or two years from now.

https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/so-what-does-300-00-material-look-like.34785/page-2#post-582362

 

[Paulpash]

I looked at your post. Are you telling me you didn't purchase any of that material? You started it all from seed or cutting? You have the photo's to back that up? Or is this more bullshit? I do this shit all the time, have countless threads here to show it. Your so full of bullshit you don't even know how to argue your own point. And for the record, nothing you showed is remotely worth 300.00 dollars, now, or two years from now.

https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/so-what-does-300-00-material-look-like.34785/page-2#post-582362

LOL - I'd post a lovely gif of a fish being reeled in but I can't be arsed. Too easy... Maybe if you spent more time with the trees rather than taking photos you'd have less cookie cutters with perfectly aligned apices over the base.. M

 

[Smoke]

LOL - I'd post a lovely gif of a fish being reeled in but I can't be arsed. Too easy... Maybe if you spent more time with the trees rather than taking photos you'd have less cookie cutters with perfectly aligned apices over the base.. M

yea but at least I have some. Your just a wannabe.... wah wah wah ~yawn~

post here if you can
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/ten-year-club.37190/

what a loser

 

[Paulpash]

For God's sake it's you're = you are. Your = possessive pronoun. Grats on the 10k posts - you are seriously the biggest drama queen on here. Switching because you don't want the accolade but hey he really does. I know what - I'll make a Bananaman log to boast I get a nooner now. Oh, and I will try and always cram the word 'Smoke' or 'Bananaman' in my thread titles just to remind everyone how important I am.

You are basically a narcissist - period.