ID for this...i think its a juniper

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the color is striking, blue especially in overcast and moonlight

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i dug it up and potted it yesterday. roots are best ive seen of any trees im working on. perfect aerial root star and good amount
of fine roots
 
It could very well be a juniper.
But since we don't know where you found it, it could be any juniper.
To ID it well, it would help a lot if you told us a bit more. Any adult junipers around? What's your location, US? South? East? North? West?

Things like that can help a great deal.

For the time being, I'm going with Juniperus Virginia until proven otherwise.
 
It could very well be a juniper.
But since we don't know where you found it, it could be any juniper.
To ID it well, it would help a lot if you told us a bit more. Any adult junipers around? What's your location, US? South? East? North? West?

Things like that can help a great deal.

For the time being, I'm going with Juniperus Virginia until proven otherwise.

thanks, ill look into those. i found it in southeastern Massachusetts, 10 mins from the ocean. ive been doing research and am starting to lean towards this:
Juniperus communis 'Blueberry Delight'

May be one of the toughest plant you'll ever encounter, able to take hot sun, droughty soils and extreme cold without missing a beat and doing it while looking fantastic. Has rich, deep green, needle-like foliage that sports contrasting silvery-blue hues on the upper side that make the plant shimmer in the landscape. A bumper crop of Blueberry like, deep bluish-purple cones that look like berries grace the plant throughout the fall and winter, attracting birds and admiring looks. Has a spreading growth habit & reaches 1’ to 6’ tall.

we have Juniper/false cedar or whatever this is below (i know that thing is hacked...)
and apparently eventually juniper turns to that leaf style...one issue is, i see saplings of the below all over
the place, some of them already have the compacted leaf style and are a 1' tall (false cedars these are perhaps)

and then the blue one in my original post was prickly, dense, and i havent seen many like that around at all.

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heres another sapling i have i dont know what it is...

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thanks for all the input





 
Well, the communis I own and the ones I've seen in the wild around here (they're the only native junipers in my country) all have pretty flaky brown/grey bark from a young age.
Since yours is so red on the trunk, and doesn't seem to have any bark, I believe J. virginia is still a possibility.
A thing that all communis seem to have is that they keep their needles for a looooong time (3-6 years). So long even, that the branches will have gone woody while the needles are still green. That could be a telltale sign that this probably isn't a communis.

I'm growing phoenicea, scopulorum, virginia and osteospermum from seed, and they all look alike. They all have needles as juvenile plants and when exposed to enough sunlight, they all have a blueish hue to them. It can take up to ten years for them to get scale foliage.
Have a look at the example below. Every white tray is an individual type of juniper, but you see there's quite a lot of variation in color and growth habit.
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I think it's good to have a look at what's natively growing around your area, and that'll probably be the highest chance of being whatever you dug up.
 
Well, the communis I own and the ones I've seen in the wild around here (they're the only native junipers in my country) all have pretty flaky brown/grey bark from a young age.
Since yours is so red on the trunk, and doesn't seem to have any bark, I believe J. virginia is still a possibility.
A thing that all communis seem to have is that they keep their needles for a looooong time (3-6 years). So long even, that the branches will have gone woody while the needles are still green. That could be a telltale sign that this probably isn't a communis.

I'm growing phoenicea, scopulorum, virginia and osteospermum from seed, and they all look alike. They all have needles as juvenile plants and when exposed to enough sunlight, they all have a blueish hue to them. It can take up to ten years for them to get scale foliage.
Have a look at the example below. Every white tray is an individual type of juniper, but you see there's quite a lot of variation in color and growth habit.

I think it's good to have a look at what's natively growing around your area, and that'll probably be the highest chance of being whatever you dug up.

very cool and they do look similar. i almost wish they would stay in this needle-state as opposed to the >5 year leaf style but cool nonetheless. when i looked down, the first thing i noticed about this was "BLUE" i guess my photo doesnt do it a lot of justice, but theres no filter on it and then as the sun went down, the color came out a lot more. im going to look for more of them soon.
 
Virginia junipers can be kept in the needle state, simply by pruning them every once in a while. In most junipers those needles are a response to stress, that's why we have to be careful not to over-prune a juniper; it might revert to juvenile foliage, which is difficult to make pads with. Well, difficult might be the wrong word, it requires a different approach.

It's that exact trait, to switch foliage types easily, and their susceptibility for Apple Cedar Rust, that makes people say they're no good for bonsai.
 
Without crispy foliage or fuzzy fungus, it's difficult to pin down the species. :p
 
well then...its my 'blue mystery' for now. will keep the forum posted on it. ill let it take to new home, grow, and thin it out in the future
 
Looks like a Eastern Redcedar. Blue-ish is not unusual. Are you sure you don't have them them in your neighborhood?
 
Looks like a Eastern Redcedar. Blue-ish is not unusual. Are you sure you don't have them them in your neighborhood?
There are im pretty sure, in the northeast US...i thought that might be the one in terracotta last pic with the Christmas tree profile. Perhaps the blue one is also. For its height though its a lot more dense than what the christmas one looks like and I think ive seen them small and theyre not as fluffy like the blue. As i mentioned theres also small versions, 1' of the already compacted style leaf as if theyre mature juniper of w.e...maybe those are white cedar or a false cedar ive heard of. The evergreens can be tricky I noticed. Neighbor across st has beautiful one, ill try to get a pic of it...its what i thought blew over to my place and started the terracotta xmas tree shape one i posted but maybe not.

Thanks for the input ill keep an eye on the blue one.
 
In Michigan we see the occasional ERC that is decidely more dense and compact than the run of the mill, maybe 1 in 1,000 or so.
 
Welcome to Crazy.

I dig the box.

I was gonna tell you so on that other thread, but I don't shine yet.....yet ....!

Sorce
 
In Michigan we see the occasional ERC that is decidely more dense and compact than the run of the mill, maybe 1 in 1,000 or so.
Interesting...yeah its dense and that tree is about 8-10" only and I did very little to it before planting it. Heck of a root system on it too. Whats ERC?
 
Welcome to Crazy.

I dig the box.

I was gonna tell you so on that other thread, but I don't shine yet.....yet ....!

Sorce

Thanks. The box had saw hole bits in it that I obtained with the house, size of a modern smartphone. Theres a well made beat up work bench in basement hand made and the wood drawers im thinking of using for bonsai. Perfect size.
 
wood drawers im thinking of using for bonsai

I got one, sprayed the inside with that spectracide prune and seal from Walmart.
After clearance in fall.

You might could use the drawers in the good bench though.

Sorce
 
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