Are you a Net Bonsai Wanker?

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Marco Invernizzi said:
I'm sure that lots of bonsaist who claim that ICHIBAN is too expensive go to a good restaurant saying that $15 is too much for salad or to a Porsche dealer saying that the new Cayenne GTS should cost $50.000.
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LOL that's funny. Way to be subtle there Marco.
 
RyanFrye said:
I understand this. I think you have quoted me out of context. No business is in the business of gift giving. They're in business to make a profit. Notice in my quote I said that they don't charge "outrageous" prices to make their money back. Unless of course the product is built on hype and they do charge excessive amounts because they know people will pay for it in order to achieve a certain perceived status in society, clubs, etc. This applies especially to clothing, cars, etc.

Reminds me of my very wealthy cousin who refused to purchase an SUV with the "Nissan" label, it had to have their sister company's label of "Infinity". It's only a name but the perceived status to him was more important and he was willing to pay a substantial amount more for it.

So is the Ichiban more of a status thing? I think that's what is at the heart of this Net Bonsai Wanker email. Marco has subtly stated that it's all about status. Everything else that the tool does or is made of doesn't really drive the price when compared to the perceived status one achieves by owning one.
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I personally don't think it's a status thing, but I can understand how some people would. A lot of the marketing communications have touted the big names that use it, and I think that lends to the perception. But a lot of products are marketed in similar ways, so I'm not automatically connecting the two.
 
Marco Invernizzi said:
To Vic:
I do critique trees for living so if I would turn people's tree apart I would be left with no job, so please trust me and the fact that at this point it would be very counterproductive for me to mistreat with no reason a bonsai enthusiast who has been so kind to join this interesting discussion.
Please let's talk one of your tree, if I cannot contribute to it, maybe someone else will on this thread
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Marco,

I will take you at your word, because I would like very much to believe that you are being sincere...

But I would much rather you wait to see the tree in person than bother with a two dimensional photo. I am sure you would agree that any evaluation is better done when one can look at the tree personally. You should have an opporunity to do that when you are at Rochester... since it will be there. Hence my reference to "you will see my work and style soon enough".

You can tell me your thoughts then... and I'll have the interesting comparative of three other masters evaluations as well at some point. I am certain there is one thing all of you will object to...lol but that's ok... I'm expecting it. ;)

I'll show you a photo of it's beginings with me at that point as well. :cool:

Ciao,

Victinia
 
Marco Invernizzi said:
Have you guys spent half an hour of your time to visit www.ichiban.it and learn about this tool?

ICHIBAN it's not a product that doesn't fulfill its advertising claims. It really does works. Do you think that Masakuni has nothing better to do to put its name on ease just to please a marketing idiot like myself?

ICHIBAN has nothing to do with the level of your skills of the quality of your bonsai. It's an instument that helps EVERYBODY to do more work in less time and most of all, help you to does it all in a more confortable way.

I'm sure that lots of bonsaist who claim that ICHIBAN is too expensive go to a good restaurant saying that $15 is too much for salad or to a Porsche dealer saying that the new Cayenne GTS should cost $50.000.
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Hi Marco,

Thanks for renewing my interest in Iciban. Now that I spent 25 minutes reading this thread (and being embarrassed by some of the rude comments aimed at you), I might as well buy it. So, on your website, I clicked on the link "US ONLINE SALE" and it says "Temporarily out of stock". Can you direct me to the right place to buy it on line?

Sincerely,
Attila
 
Attila Soos said:
Hi Marco,

Thanks for renewing my interest in Iciban. Now that I spent 25 minutes reading this thread (and being embarrassed by some of the rude comments aimed at you), I might as well buy it. So, on your website, I clicked on the link "US ONLINE SALE" and it says "Temporarily out of stock". Can you direct me to the right place to buy it on line?

Sincerely,
Attila
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Cool... Bring it to GSBF... and I hope you are staying there this time... want to make sure you go out for margaritas with us. :)


V
 
cbobgo said:
Vic congrats on having a tree chosen for the national exhibit!!

- bob
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Thanks Bob! :D

I now have a clue of what it's like to be one of those crazy parents who have a child participating in a beauty pagent. lol It's nuts. Table is being made as we speak... kusamono should be ready this weekend... scroll picked out... (a very very nice Paul Goff)... and none of that even counts the work on the tree. YIKES! lol

I'm just honored to be participating. So no matter what happens, I am happy. As long as it gets home happy... lol

Kindest regards,

Victrinia
 
Congratulations Ms. Vic...though its no surprise to me that one of your trees got excepted
 
irene_b said:
Congrats to you BBG!!! (((Hugs)))
Mom
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Thank you Mother... I thought you would be pleased. :D I actually hadn't planned to let the cat out of the bag... but this is fine. I did not wish to seem to be avoiding Marco's request. ;)

BBG
 
Marco Invernizzi said:
the first thread of ICHIBAN got more than 14 thousands contacts...
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Hi Marco,

I don't have a PhD in economics, but since I started the first thread, I think that makes us business partners :confused:

Its OK though - I will be happy to accept just one free Ichiban as compensation :D

This is a great tool and I would love to own one, but cannot afford it because I am a poor, poor student. I know... this is a very sad story.... :(

Send me a private message and I will give you my address :)

Ciao!
 
Well I'm sorry this thread went where it did. I will only say this about the price of the tool Marco has developed: had he been able to charge $29.95 for it, it would have received about the same response, and yet he would have sold far less of them.
 
Are you feigning surprise my dear? :p

I had actually found it amusing that you would throw up something of this nature and then not pop back in at all... I don't think you have anything to worry about... no one has come out the worse for wear... and as with many things where people are taken through the long course of a discussion (??) there is the likelihood of benefit all the way around.

In fact Marco got at least one sale. :D

But don't act suprised... I know how smart you are after all. ;)

Virtual hugs,

Victrinia
 
Victrinia Ensor said:
Marco,

I will take you at your word, because I would like very much to believe that you are being sincere...

But I would much rather you wait to see the tree in person than bother with a two dimensional photo. I am sure you would agree that any evaluation is better done when one can look at the tree personally. You should have an opporunity to do that when you are at Rochester... since it will be there. Hence my reference to "you will see my work and style soon enough".

You can tell me your thoughts then... and I'll have the interesting comparative of three other masters evaluations as well at some point. I am certain there is one thing all of you will object to...lol but that's ok... I'm expecting it. ;)

I'll show you a photo of it's beginings with me at that point as well. :cool:

Ciao,

Victinia
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Ahhhhhh! The Azalea with the jinn. I like that tree with the deadwood and I prefer trees in the japanese asthetic. Good trees are good trees. Awsome it's going to the National show. You and the tree deserve it.
 
Victrinia Ensor said:
... and as with many things where people are taken through the long course of a discussion (??) there is the likelihood of benefit all the way around.

In fact Marco got at least one sale. :D

But don't act suprised... I know how smart you are after all. ;)

Virtual hugs,

Victrinia
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Thanks Chris for the thread, I wanted to buy Marco's tool for a long time, but somehow I totally forgot about it. This thread made me remember again...couldn't have happened at a better time, since I have a few hundred trees waiting to be styled.
You see, actions like yours (posting this thread) can sometimes have unintended consequences, that work out for the best, to all the parties involved. Some people benefit, others watch from the sidelines.

I owe you a luch (and a beer) one day.. :)
 
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