hinmo24t
Masterpiece
lol something like that. i thought it was a spruce...way off hahaDid that not work because it didn't have scale foliage?
Check your sense of scale
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Fidur
Chumono
I think a figure addition forces a scale. But if the figure and the tree are not in the correct proportions, it's just a mess.
If you are able to introduce some "motive" in the correct scale ( the one that matches the tree look), it will make a happy marriage.
For instance, I want to belive the scale I setted in this was the appropiate.
I think if you can set the scale this way, you control the way people is gonna see your tree. I happen to like that control....
I guess what I stated means I'm not a bonsai practisioner and so I'm forever banned in this forum
Fidur
Chumono
Colorado, Lorax7, Underdog are the winners 
. Runner up Eckhoffw 
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!
. Runner up Eckhoffw CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!
BeepBeepBonsaiSheep
Chumono
Initial guess is 20-24”, but I feel it’s closer to the 20” side
Then I got my tape measure and think 16-18” may be closer
Edit: I see I’m late and the answer was 18”
Then I got my tape measure and think 16-18” may be closer
Edit: I see I’m late and the answer was 18”
Fidur
Chumono
Also, what japanese bonsai style would you tag this tree ?
Eckhoffw
Masterpiece
Ughh!!! Of course. 1.5 frozen pizzas. 
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
The problem with using figures in compositions is they have to fit into it, both in style and substance. Sounds snobbish, but there it is...I think a figure addition forces a scale. But if the figure and the tree are not in the correct proportions, it's just a mess.
If you are able to introduce some "motive" in the correct scale ( the one that matches the tree look), it will make a happy marriage.
For instance, I want to belive the scale I setted in this was the appropiate.
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I think if you can set the scale this way, you control the way people is gonna see your tree. I happen to like that control....
I guess what I stated means I'm not a bonsai practisioner and so I'm forever banned in this forum
to be a snob critic
--the one here looks like he's going to fall backwards off a cliff. To me, he's just distracting. Many Western bonsaiists, even more advanced hobbyists, tend to use distracting figures that are more in place in model railroading and dioramas, etc. This is my opinion, your mileage may vary--They generally don't work because they tend to clang too brashly or take over entirely, when a bonsai should be subtle. They are "look at that bear/elk/elephant/pensive guy" and not "hey that tree/scene is very nice."If you can integrate figures harmoniously, things can "click," but it's not easy to do. I've always thought the examples below use figures extremely well. They are part of the composition, not dominating it. If you like this kind of bonsai (penjing), get a book called "Penjing: Worlds of Wonderment" by Qinquan Zhao. He is the master of "land and water" penjing and uses figures with a very educated eye. The second two compositions are his. The first is a very old one from Wee Sun Yu in the National Bonsai and Penjing Museum in Washington.
And BTW, I guessed 18" on the scale.
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Fidur
Chumono
Yeah, I have all Quinquan Zhao has published in english (I even bought the one that will appear in January). Also some others about bonsai landscape
I know my trees are never ever going to be showed (and as you told me it's also likely they will die in the next 4 years
) , so I can be my own judge. If it makes me feel happy, that's enough 
Sorry, you're right. Your guess of 18", was as accurate as the other winners, Congratulations! Good eye!
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
You know "Shiwan" of "sekwan" figures? I've got a few of those. They're a step up from the mass market mudmen. They tend to be larger also, although there is a wide range of type and quality...Yeah, I have all Quinquan Zhao has published in english (I even bought the one that will appear in January). Also some others about bonsai landscape
I know my trees are never ever going to be showed (and as you told me it's also likely they will die in the next 4 years
Sorry, you're right. Your guess of 18", was as accurate as the other winners, Congratulations! Good eye!
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Fidur
Chumono
Lovely figures!. Truth is that I have spent a good amount of hours looking for figures for my trees, and until now, I have made only 3 good matches. I'm kind of demanding when it comes to figures. I must love the figure, the scale it would set and the concordance with the kind of tree or scenery. So still looking for.....You know "Shiwan" of "sekwan" figures? I've got a few of those. They're a step up from the mass market mudmen. They tend to be larger also, although there is a wide range of type and quality...
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BTW, I asked about the name of the japanese bonsai style you think the chamaecyparis has.
FinnLakk
Yamadori
I imagine it would be considered a twin trunk, I'm no expert though.
What variety of chamaecyparis is it? I have a very young tree with identical foliage I've been trying to ID
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Tree is a moyogi, or informal upright.
Shiwan can come in very large, to smallish...12" to 6" or even a little less. Most have some glaze on them. Some of the better ones have several glazes to accent clothes, etc. I've collected some of the finer ones, as well as some of the earlier, rougher made varieties over the years.
Fidur
Chumono
A chamaecyparis thyoides rubicon (or maybe top point, still not completly sure)
penumbra
Imperial Masterpiece
I am correct to say these are all Chinese?You know "Shiwan" of "sekwan" figures? I've got a few of those. They're a step up from the mass market mudmen. They tend to be larger also, although there is a wide range of type and quality...
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rockm
Spuds Moyogi
If you really want to go off the deep end, there are small bronze sculptures of wildlife and other stuff that is in scale for bonsai. There are some artists that specialize in these small bronze sculptures for bonsai, particularly in the U.K. THey're not cheap however, but they won't break. The link below is to a few examples. There are better quality around
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rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Yes. All Chinese made. There are similar Japanese clay figurines, though. I can't remember their name though...
Fidur
Chumono
Well, I asked about the style of the tree, because in some other forum some told me, I had to chop or jin almost all of the 7 leaders to make it a real bonsai styled tree....
Fidur
Chumono
I really appreciate the links you have provied. I will take a deep look on them. Hopefully a new match can happen......If you really want to go off the deep end, there are small bronze sculptures of wildlife and other stuff that is in scale for bonsai. There are some artists that specialize in these small bronze sculptures for bonsai, particularly in the U.K. THey're not cheap however, but they won't break. The link below is to a few examples. There are better quality around
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FinnLakk
Yamadori
Is this going by the initial edited photo, or by the later photo with the measuring tape?
Only asking as I definitely see a 2nd trunk coming off photo #2 and am wondering if that would still be classed as informal upright? And if so why?
Still very new to all this so just trying to expand my knowledge
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