Here comes the hard freeze for 2024

What is preferable, completely covered in snow (have about 30" in my yard right now) or in a garage that I guess will get to about 20°F.

Outside temps will be 3-10°F for about 5 days straight. Have several JMs that I'm mostly concerned with, others are all natives to my area and cold hardy to zone 3 or so, so not really concerned about them staying outside.
Being completely covered in snow protects your trees from all the weather related issues- severe cold and drying winds- but potentially can damage branches from the snow load. If I lived in the MI snow belt on the west side, and I had a well developed A. palmatum, it would be under cover somewhere. The cold won't damage an A. palmatum if it's in a protected spot with the roots properly mulched.
 
Shelter almost done. I think between my outdoor stove and a small space heater, I can keep the temperature above frrezing. I am targeting 35 to 37 deg F.

I now can move the trees in.
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With all sides covered by plywood up to 8ft high, a space heater kept the place at 40 deg. F with no issue last night. The hard cold is tonight.
 
Being completely covered in snow protects your trees from all the weather related issues- severe cold and drying winds- but potentially can damage branches from the snow load. If I lived in the MI snow belt on the west side, and I had a well developed A. palmatum, it would be under cover somewhere. The cold won't damage an A. palmatum if it's in a protected spot with the roots properly mulched.
Definitely not "well developed" by any means, I dug up all of the JMs from my dad's place within the last 5 years, and I'm still just growing out the trunks. I'll keep it in mind for the future though and add some snow load protection for them once I have more settled structure.

Does the type of snow make a significant difference, heavy, wet snow being more of a concern than light and powdery?
 
Definitely not "well developed" by any means, I dug up all of the JMs from my dad's place within the last 5 years, and I'm still just growing out the trunks. I'll keep it in mind for the future though and add some snow load protection for them once I have more settled structure.

Does the type of snow make a significant difference, heavy, wet snow being more of a concern than light and powdery?
It can make the same sort of difference it does with big trees. Heavy wet snow can break branches, light powder won't so much.
In terms of insulation it's about the same. The light powder is more likely to blow away in the wind though.

Think of it like an igloo. Outside it can be as cold and as windy as it wants, but inside the walls will trap any heat in. Since snow is mostly air trapped between loose particles it acts much the same way as the pink fiberglass insulation in the walls of your house, creating a certain resistance to temperature conduction. In the case of your trees, the ground is warmer than the outside air, and the snow help hold that heat in around the tree.

I was actually considering going camping this weekend since work is cancelled by the weather today, but there isn't enough snow anywhere around me.😞
 
First big cold of this winter is forecast for us next Tuesday and Wednesday. Highs of only 35 and 39. This is important (for us) because we rarely get a day that isn't significantly above freezing during the day. Lows at night of 18 and 21 means many/most trees will remain frozen for several days.
Several days...ur lucky. My trees have been frozen solid for over a month😆
 
Morning Uncle, we are still early in this winter so hard to say.... but I haven't seen two hard freezes in the same winter for the last 33 years. What I said was we will have two nights in the low 20s so most trees will be moved into the garage for a few days. You think Hulk will be fine in a sheltered spot. I might just cover it with a trash bag.
Not sure I'd use a trash bag. I did that one time and paid for it with a fungus attack that killed several trees in there.
 
Definitely not "well developed" by any means, I dug up all of the JMs from my dad's place within the last 5 years, and I'm still just growing out the trunks. I'll keep it in mind for the future though and add some snow load protection for them once I have more settled structure.

Does the type of snow make a significant difference, heavy, wet snow being more of a concern than light and powdery?
Wet snow needs to be removed from the canopy as it accumulates. If it freezes solid, removing it will tear away small branches. The light fluffy stuff won't initially damage your trees, but it will start to thaw/refreeze and become more dense over time and be likely to tear away branching as it settles.
 
Nothing like breaking a sweat while preparing for the cold. It is 61 degrees today. Low teens by Wed morning. A couple of more cold blasts over the next week as well. One thing I did that some of you may need to do is to turn off the water to outside faucets and drain the lines. I bring in my good water wands and hose end sprayers as well.
 
In the northern Shenandoah Valley it reached a high of 28F today. We may have single digits tomorrow night and definitely Saturday night. I think I have everything buttoned down pretty well but we will see. Seems like I forget something every year.
Last winter my benches stayed pretty full all winter long. This winter that is not the case. That's fine as it will give me a chance to power wash and seal this spring.
Long range, we are looking at another hard freeze in February. Hard to believe that we will have early flowers and swollen buds in 6 to 8 weeks.
 
Does anyone know if the rain barrels need to be drained completly or just lowered where they're not full?. the lowes in my area are forcasted 22F
 
Does anyone know if the rain barrels need to be drained completly or just lowered where they're not full?. the lowes in my area are forcasted 22F
My "Rain Barrel" is a 275 gallon square plastic vessel. I put a drain about 6 inches down from the top to accommodate freezing and expanding.
 
Does anyone know if the rain barrels need to be drained completly or just lowered where they're not full?. the lowes in my area are forcasted 22F
I don't bother draining them at all. As the ice expands it'll go the path of least resistance, and just poke out the top. Can be problematic when snow starts to melt but your downspout is frozen solid and the water has nowhere to go, though. As long as you can manage something there you'll be fine.
 
Got pretty cold here over the weekend 😬
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Not too worried about it. I have been shoveling some snow onto the pots of my trees all winter now, so they have a nice layer of insulation for the roots.

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Been doing this for a few years now and it seems to work great.
 
BTW, anyone had eyes on @berzerkules or @Alaskanrocket recently? Haven't seen much of either for a while, now that I think of it.
Came to mind because they would have have a very different perspective on the weather you're all panicking about.🤪
Looks like we sent some of our weather down south.

Sorry about that everyone.
 
I don’t understand people. Temperature is in the twenties and it is drizzling out side . Must you drive fast on the bridge?
Interstate bridge shutdown both ways due to accidents on icy bridge.
There’s an interesting bell curve to this sort of thing based on frequency of icy weather. I grew up in SW Ohio where we had a fair few snow storms each year, but rarely the persistent ice roads of the north. Everyone drove quite cautiously in wintry weather. In areas I’ve been with tons of snow—mostly the upper Midwest, Colorado, upstate NY—people drive through the snow completely unfazed. Similar in areas with rare snow (Seattle, California), but I think those cases are more due to lack of experience than abundance/overconfidence.
 
Got pretty cold here over the weekend 😬
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Not too worried about it. I have been shoveling some snow onto the pots of my trees all winter now, so they have a nice layer of insulation for the roots.

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Been doing this for a few years now and it seems to work great.
wow, superb. in tropical zone like me doesn't know how to handle this
 
With the North wind blowing and temperature outside around 26 deg F, I am holding 35 deg F inside my porch with a space heater, a propane stove with one burner on (Stove has 6 burners), and a Black Stone flat grill with one burner on low (Grill has 4 burners). So long as I am above freezing, that's all I care. Temperature will continue to drop but I think my set up will keep things OK. All I want is to keep recently collected or worked on trees with very tender roots from freezing. All my tropical is inside my garage with temperature around 40 degrees. I think my set up works out OK so far. I might have to crank up the stove and the grill a tiny bit tomorrow.
 
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