I don't like Bunjin...

understand better what generally makes great literati

I'd like to talk to the old Chinese feller who actually knows!

Seems the definition bends just as much as the trees themselves.

For me, it's a fantastically graceful line.
And one mass of foliage.
2 masses is cheating!

Sorce
 
I'd like to talk to the old Chinese feller who actually knows!

Seems the definition bends just as much as the trees themselves.

For me, it's a fantastically graceful line.
And one mass of foliage.
2 masses is cheating!

Sorce
I tend to agree.
Most of the books I've read mention something like, "sparse" foliage....
 
@sorce @just.wing.it

Just for the sake of discussion....

Then this would NOT be literati/bunjin?
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(Photo from Mirai Instagram - fantastic tree by the way)
That is why I "tend to agree"....about one foliage mass.
There are always trees that break the rules.....or bend my perception.
 
According to the Korea Bonsai Cooperative
"Literati is a style commonly created by scholars and usually features a serpentine or aged trunk. Although the trunk is not thick it should carry the appearance of great age such as is befitting a tree that has weathered many storms. It is a poetic tree that symbolizes humans struggle to survive and represents a long life. The lower branches have been lost to a lifetime of storms and only the upper part of the tree remains as a crown of glory."

Translation by me.
 
According to the Korea Bonsai Cooperative
"Literati is a style commonly created by scholars and usually features a serpentine or aged trunk. Although the trunk is not thick it should carry the appearance of great age such as is befitting a tree that has weathered many storms. It is a poetic tree that symbolizes humans struggle to survive and represents a long life. The lower branches have been lost to a lifetime of storms and only the upper part of the tree remains as a crown of glory."

Translation by me.
That's beautiful.
 
That's beautiful.
In essence it isn't a stick in a pot lol. It should look old even though it is skinny. Tou don't get fat from a hard life.....I guess thats the idea. In Asia there are literati style trees standing stubbornly on the tops of mountains. I am guessing thats where the idea comes from. When I went to Zhangjiajie in China the trees were insane.
 
sake of discussion

Sounds like when the tree sucks, put it in a "special" pot.

Not a fan.

No interest in the line.
But the text says that.

Sorce
 
This trunk is just hideous. This is not improved my man. Opinions all....

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The trunk is magnificent. It's the top which is hideous.
Although carving lines into the grain of the deadwood like that is stupid and amateurish. It could be easily fixed.
 
So, here's a summary (so far). Pick and choose and argue with the listing which is or should be a ranking by importance:

1. Find good candidate nature has created

2. No evidence of human management.

3. Trunk line is primary interest point, foliage is incidental or confirming age/tortured life.

4. Foliage needs to be in concert with the truck: Sparse. Created/limited by the same forces that created/limited the trunk.

5. Not short, not stocky.

6. Not healthy looking.

7. The appearance evokes a mood of..............
 
I like beat up old trees, call em what you like. Many trees in my corner of the planet get their branches and trunks ripped apart by snow and ice storms. How an ancient chinese or japanese scholar would classify them seems irrelevant. Or are there some bunjin/literati contests I don't know about?
@Smoke 👍 second tree looks pretty silly.
 
I saw many really great looking bunjin bonsai for first time in one place at Taikanten a while back. This guy was at same show and took nice pictures! I brought a friend who had never seen bonsai before, but he had always appreciated Japanese culture and tradition. He told me he loved all the trees but ones he loved most were these sparse looking trees. It didn't surprise me much considering he's a guy who has much to wonder about 😄
 
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Thank you all for this thread. I went down the rabbit home of Chinese painting styles, dynasties, and bonsai style history.

Lots more to appreciate
 
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