Japanese White pine #2

[0soyoung]

I took this to be 'before'

The lower right branch appears to be higher now.
At this point, however, I don't care for the full frontal nudity either.

Anyway, as I said before,

maybe you are on the road to a far better tree now.

and I just don't see it yet.

... just my impressions/opinions
I've only been at this long enough to rise to the level of an art critic.
And, we both know that you aren't doing this to make me happy.

 

[JudyB]

I took this to be 'before'

The lower right branch appears to be higher now.
At this point, however, I don't care for the full frontal nudity either.

Anyway, as I said before,

and I just don't see it yet.

... just my impressions/opinions
I've only been at this long enough to rise to the level of an art critic.
And, we both know that you aren't doing this to make me happy.

Well that sort of explains what you are saying. The first picture is the current photo of the tree. The last one is as I received the tree in 2012...
At least I'm making progress!!! I also was no fan of the way the trunk was fully exposed at that point, and it was a charter member of the bad hair wild foliage club at that point too.

 

[JudyB]

Hey judy what style do you like your pines? As this is more of a natural style and looks great!

I would have raffia-ed and move the lower right branch forward and down with a guide wire as well as made the pad a bit flatter on the underside. I don't really see any pad defined in the image but that's not a bad thing. I think I would have define some pads, but We all have our style and I like this tree alot. Plus its hard to give good advice on 2d images

Well everyone knows I'm sort of a hybrid. I like natural with a lean towards the stability and balance that classically styled trees have.
I took the tree to a Mauro S. workshop and he gave me a hand in lowering it. This is as much bend on that branch as can be managed without a V cut, something that I'm not terrifically keen on trying. That branch is near 2" lower than it started out, so I feel pretty ok with where it has wound up. I may angle the trunk to the right a bit next repotting to see what that can give me.
I may do some definitive pads in the future, but I like the loose feel that it has at this point.

 

[0soyoung]

I don't know if I now only have the attention span of a gnat or the reading comprehension of an amoeba - right there, immediately above the photos you said.

The last photo is the tree when I got it in 2012.

So, now I know that going back in time just isn't what it has been suggested to be.

Short version = I like what you've done with it .

BTW, I appreciate your help/patience with my 'problems'

 

[JudyB]

I don't know if I now only have the attention span of a gnat or the reading comprehension of an amoeba - right there, immediately above the photos you said.

So, now I know that going back in time just isn't what it has been suggested to be.

Short version = I like what you've done with it .

BTW, I appreciate your help/patience with my 'problems'

Whew, I'm just glad that after 15 pages, I've gone forwards instead of backwards...LOL

 

[Rob_phillips]

Really good thread i love your trees progression. it's given me some thought on my own jwp which is a similar looking tree I hope mine grows and matures in the same way

 

[JudyB]

Here is the tree today with a slight correction of the front center branches. I like this better...

 

[Adair M]

Judy, I can't tell for sure with the picture from the front, but it appears the apex is moving away. If it is, could the planting angle be changed to tilt it more forward?

 

[JudyB]

Judy, I can't tell for sure with the picture from the front, but it appears the apex is moving away. If it is, could the planting angle be changed to tilt it more forward?

The apex definitely moves toward the viewer on this tree from the front. It's hard of course to see this in 2d, but it does. I may angle it a bit more to the right, and pitch it forward a bit more with the next repot. Just want to play with some angles to find the best image.

 

[Adair M]

The apex definitely moves toward the viewer on this tree from the front. It's hard of course to see this in 2d, but it does. I may angle it a bit more to the right, and pitch it forward a bit more with the next repot. Just want to play with some angles to find the best image.

Ok, I believe you.

Here's why it looks (to me) to be moving away:

The lower branches, I don't see the woody parts of the branch. The foliage obscures the structure.

Yet up at the apex, we can see some wood.

Now, to me, since I can't see the the wood structure of the lower branches, my eye thinks it's looking at the top of the pads. In effect, "looking down" on the branch.

Yet, up at the apex, I can see some woody structure. It makes me think I'm looking up at the underside of the branches!

And when my brain puts all that together, it makes it look (in the photo) like the apex is moving away.

 

[JudyB]

Yet, up at the apex, I can see some woody structure. It makes me think I'm looking up at the underside of the branches!

And when my brain puts all that together, it makes it look (in the photo) like the apex is moving away.

Interesting observation. This of course is still in progress, so will take that into consideration.

 

[Jeremy]

Judy, I can't tell for sure with the picture from the front, but it appears the apex is moving away. If it is, could the planting angle be changed to tilt it more forward?

You had the same feelings on page 6

This is a lovely tree, @JudyB . Great bark and nice movement throughout. Reviewing this thread, I quite liked the angle of the photos in post #96, seemed a bit more balanced however, some movement is lost. Any chance of more photos from around the tree?

 

[Giga]

I'm kinda agreeing with adair, the reason it look like it to me is the tree is pigeon breasting, it's pulling my eye on the trunk. Could be the planting angle or the picture but its well on its way

 

[0soyoung]

Judy, I can't tell for sure with the picture from the front, but it appears the apex is moving away. If it is, could the planting angle be changed to tilt it more forward?

I think this is emphasized by the little crown of foliage being perched top, dead center. If, for example, the crown is pushed to the right, I 'think' the top of the trunk is coming back around toward me on the right - doesn't seem so unfriendly (to me).

 

[Adair M]

Judy,

Could you post pics taken from the sides?

 

[Jeremy]

Judy,

Could you post pics taken from the sides?

LOL I refer you to page 6 for the earlier shots. But fresh pictures would be better for us drooling over the tree

 

[Adair M]

You had the same feelings on page 6

This is a lovely tree, @JudyB . Great bark and nice movement throughout. Reviewing this thread, I quite liked the angle of the photos in post #96, seemed a bit more balanced however, some movement is lost. Any chance of more photos from around the tree?

At least I'm consistent!

 

[Adair M]

LOL I refer you to page 6 for the earlier shots. But fresh pictures would be better for us drooling over the tree

Indeed. I just went back and reviewed Page 6 of this thread.

I think what's perhaps confusing is that I have said that the apex should "be moving" towards the front. That's a poor choice of words. It's not enough that it "be moving", it needs to "be in the front". Or "have moved to the front". It needs to be in front of, not over, the nebari.

 

[JudyB]

The apex is something that I'm working on growing longer and more forward and also to the right. As you all know, these are not fast to develop. I will take some photos from other angles. The current angle shows the nice base and nebari to best advantage. I think if I change the planting angle a bit, then I won't loose too much of that and may gain something up top.

it look like it to me is the tree is pigeon breasting,

From the photos I would agree with you. In person, not really, that curve doesn't come forward, but it does appear that way.
@Jeremy you are a thorough reader! I'll take a look at that angle from post 96, but I think it obscures too much from that angle. Thanks for the nice thoughts.

I think this is emphasized by the little crown of foliage being perched top, dead center

This is the apex that I've been growing out for the last 4 years. Working on getting it to stretch over the right side of the canopy more and of course forward too.
More pics, not sure if today, depends on how much ice I have to clear to get down off the hill to get to work today LOL.

 

[JudyB]

Judy,

Could you post pics taken from the sides?

yes when I can I certainly will
Thanks all for the feedback, it is appreciated!