Magnets and plants/trees

[BrightsideB]

I bought some grey owl(red cedar type) for a few dollars thinking I’d let them grow and attempt grafting in the future. They grow in an area that receives little attention. Yesterday I was looking at them and noticed a neodymium magnet in one of the pots. It was the youngest one and had buds all over it. My thought was why is the youngest one fruiting and the other older trees not fruiting. They all came from the same mother tree. So quickly I decided that the magnet ( that I did not put in purposely) in the pot may have something to do with it. So I read a little about magnets and plants and the research shows that magnets have a positive effect on plant growth. I just thought I’d share that story. Apparently it can cause them to mature early in my case. I don’t really see another explanation. It may help with bonsai that may not be in the best state of health. I posted some photo’s of the tree fruiting. I have five others and none are fruiting and one is twice the size without fruit. Has anyone heard of this? Or understand what the magnet may be doing to the soil?

 

[Bruce Elliott]

I'd be very skeptical that the magnets have a direct effect on the plants or their roots, but they can obviously influence any iron particles that might be nearby. I suppose it could help to retain some iron in the soil that might otherwise have gotten washed away.

The curator of the Bonsai and Penjing Museum at the National Arboretum in Washington D.C. told me that John Naka used to put big nails in the bottom of the pots for junipers, and by the time they needed to be repotted the nails would be gone, having been entirely rusted, dissolved, and absorbed (or maybe washed away). So - iron in the soil seems to make a difference. Mike the curator told me this story in response to my asking how they got their junipers to have such deep rich green color.

 

[RoadManDenDron]

I just read in a post somewhere on here about the stage in the lunar cycle and its effect on sap flow

So I'm following this post intrigued and hoping it can maybe shed some light

 

[Leo in N E Illinois]

I'm skeptical that magnetism, had anything to do with the growth difference.

If the magnet seemed corroded, iron is a necessary nutrient, perhaps the juniper utilized the corrosion as an iron source.

 

[penumbra]

I bought some grey owl(red cedar type) for a few dollars thinking I’d let them grow and attempt grafting in the future. They grow in an area that receives little attention. Yesterday I was looking at them and noticed a neodymium magnet in one of the pots. It was the youngest one and had buds all over it. My thought was why is the youngest one fruiting and the other older trees not fruiting. They all came from the same mother tree. So quickly I decided that the magnet ( that I did not put in purposely) in the pot may have something to do with it. So I read a little about magnets and plants and the research shows that magnets have a positive effect on plant growth. I just thought I’d share that story. Apparently it can cause them to mature early in my case. I don’t really see another explanation. It may help with bonsai that may not be in the best state of health. I posted some photo’s of the tree fruiting. I have five others and none are fruiting and one is twice the size without fruit. Has anyone heard of this? Or understand what the magnet may be doing to the soil?

Some years back I studied the effects of magnetism on living systems fairly extensively. After 30 years I still use magnets for healing purposes. There has been a lot of research going back at least a century and medical researches have shown conclusively that bones heal faster with magnets. But if you are looking for help here related to these arcane sciences, be aware that most people on this site consider it woo woo. Funny how so many people who are scientifically inclined will not consider that everything was woo woo at some point whereas subjects such as magnetism, negative ions and moon phases have scientific bases that are yet to be confirmed to to satisfaction of most people.
That's ok. If it works for you, let it be in your black book of secrets my friend.
The truth is out there.....

 

[penumbra]

If the magnet seemed corroded, iron is a necessary nutrient, perhaps the juniper utilized the corrosion as an iron source.

It is a neo magnet, not an iron one. They do do rust and have little if any iron. The medical grade ones I have used contain no iron.

 

[BrightsideB]

Some years back I studied the effects of magnetism on living systems fairly extensively. After 30 years I still use magnets for healing purposes. There has been a lot of research going back at least a century and medical researches have shown conclusively that bones heal faster with magnets. But if you are looking for help here related to these arcane sciences, be aware that most people on this site consider it woo woo. Funny how so many people who are scientifically inclined will not consider that everything was woo woo at some point whereas subjects such as magnetism, negative ions and moon phases have scientific bases that are yet to be confirmed to to satisfaction of most people.
That's ok. If it works for you, let it be in your black book of secrets my friend.
The truth is out there.....

That’s cool you studied magnetism like that. I am going to do some experiments for myself. Even though people have already with positive results. My dogwoods are young and haven’t flowered yet I am going to put some magnets on the soil and see if I get flowers next year on that one and not the other’s I have. But thanks for the input. I was studying electrical engineering and doing experiments years ago that is why I had neo magnets and randomly put it in the pot of my least favorite tree. I didn’t water it for a year and it was in the shade yet pushed growth out quicker with fruit all the others were getting more attention and sun yet have just started pushing new foliage without fruit.

 

[Shogun610]

Fu*kin Magnets how do they work

 

[BrightsideB]

I'd be very skeptical that the magnets have a direct effect on the plants or their roots, but they can obviously influence any iron particles that might be nearby. I suppose it could help to retain some iron in the soil that might otherwise have gotten washed away.

The curator of the Bonsai and Penjing Museum at the National Arboretum in Washington D.C. told me that John Naka used to put big nails in the bottom of the pots for junipers, and by the time they needed to be repotted the nails would be gone, having been entirely rusted, dissolved, and absorbed (or maybe washed away). So - iron in the soil seems to make a difference. Mike the curator told me this story in response to my asking how they got their junipers to have such deep rich green color.

There is so much more neo magnets do other then attract iron.

 

[BrightsideB]

Fu*kin Magnets how do they work

Things can work without a human understanding how it works. I don’t really know I just know the results I got seem to be early maturity and more vibrant foliage. I can only compare to the other clones I got that barely just started pushing new growth.

 

[BrightsideB]

When I get home I’ll post a side by side photo of the other trees that have the same mother and are the same age. To see the difference. That’s all I can say I don’t understand the scientific premise on why I got the results. But there is something there.

 

[Shogun610]

Things can work without a human understanding how it works. I don’t really know I just know the results I got seem to be early maturity and more vibrant foliage. I can only compare to the other clones I got that barely just started pushing new growth.

Haha I’m just messing, with a ICP meme about magnets. I think the magnetic charge might promote particle cec between the soil and the roots.

 

[BrightsideB]

Haha I’m just messing, with a ICP meme about magnets. I think the magnetic charge might promote particle cec between the soil and the roots.

Lol I wasn’t sure. Sounded like sarcasm. It could stimulate in some way the vascular system in the roots as a whole. Could be creating a variety of positive effects. You should try it! I am going to try it on a tree that didn’t take to well to some pruning I did.

 

[penumbra]

I will do a few experiments on plants to that I can compare with you. I will send it in a PM.

 

[penumbra]

It is a neo magnet, not an iron one. They do do rust and have little if any iron. The medical grade ones I have used contain no iron.

I meant to write do not rust......

 

[Kodama]

Ya'll sent me down another rabbit hole on this one. Fascinating subject. Thanks for sharing!

 

[Kodama]

Oh no....and now I found this

Levitating "Air Bonsai" Uses Magnets to Float Twirling Plant in Mid-Air

The Air Bonsai combines the beauty of nature with the mesmerizing effects of levitation. Designed as a miniature planter, it utilizes the opposing forces

mymodernmet.com

 

[ShadyStump]

Haha I’m just messing, with a ICP meme about magnets. I think the magnetic charge might promote particle cec between the soil and the roots.

That's exactly what I was thinking. I'm far from expert in anything, but it made sense in my head that a magnet might influence cation exchange seeing as how it's essentially electromagnetism on a molecular level.
@penumbra's comment on magnets' influence on healing bones makes sense because bone is essential a lose crystalline formation of calcium based minerals. Magnetism could easily aid in aligning the molecules for denser and more efficient regrowth.

Also...

Oh no....and now I found this

Levitating "Air Bonsai" Uses Magnets to Float Twirling Plant in Mid-Air

The Air Bonsai combines the beauty of nature with the mesmerizing effects of levitation. Designed as a miniature planter, it utilizes the opposing forces

mymodernmet.com

DO NOT tell me where to buy one!
I wanna make one now!

 

[penumbra]

comment on magnets' influence on healing bones makes sense because bone is essential a lose crystalline formation of calcium based minerals. Magnetism could easily aid in aligning the molecules for denser and more efficient regrowth.

Another component is that Hemoglobin is the iron-containing oxygen-transport metalloprotein in red blood cells.

 

[ShadyStump]

Another component is that Hemoglobin is the iron-containing oxygen-transport metalloprotein in red blood cells.

Seems like under a magnet that the hemoglobin would tend to pool there, which could be as problematic as helpful in some situations I imagine. I couldn't imagine how the alignment of hemoglobin molecules under magnetism could affect overall circulation. I fear clotting could be problematic depending on the circumstances.

But we're supposed to be talking trees, man! LOL
Terribly fascinating, though. Electromagnetism in the body is one of those things that's so simple that it must be quackery, but it really does need more investigation