Magnets and plants/trees

[Bruce Elliott]

There is so much more neo magnets do other then attract iron.

Oh - I had no idea. I had thought they were just very strong magnets.

Magnetic fields are magnetic fields, though, regardless of their source, so it can't be anything like a different kind of field (other than in strength). Is there something about the chemical nature of neodymium magnets that lets them "do more" as you say? They're fascinating little beasts for sure.

 

[Shogun610]

Another component is that Hemoglobin is the iron-containing oxygen-transport metalloprotein in red blood cells.

Actually , it may promote cec through charged particles, but those charged particles already naturally occurring in the substrates. What is essential is Fe update because like Hemeglobin , Iron is also at when you look at Chloroplast , Mitochondria , Ferredoxin as well. So the magnets might also capture what once was free flowing particles of Iron , and prevent the natural update of soluble iron in order to be used throughout the plant. This dude may very well be sorta disrupting the feedback look for iron update a month other things. But depending on the charge Magnesium i also wonder if Magnesium would have a weak charge and thus be pulled by your magnets. Mg is at the center of Cholophyll , I think Magnesium has a +2 charge.. so depending on your CEC, Charge , Natural electro static pressure in the soil when it is dry you possibly may prevent Magnesium uptake but not as much as Fe..Besides magnets bro, you might also want to try using inoculated mycorrhiza in your soil along with silicon to increase growth. you wouldn’t want to add anything else because it’s already present in that organic media you have.

 

[penumbra]

Seems like under a magnet that the hemoglobin would tend to pool there

Medical research shows exactly the opposite. When placed on or adjacent to a wound , particularly a sprain or bruise, it increases the flow of blood.

 

[Shogun610]

Medical research shows exactly the opposite. When placed on or adjacent to a wound , particularly a sprain or bruise, it increases the flow of blood.

We’re talking about chlorophyll , Mg +2 at the center .. not Iron .

 

[Bruce Elliott]

Another component is that Hemoglobin is the iron-containing oxygen-transport metalloprotein in red blood cells.

This is the only reason that ever made much sense to me for why magnetism affects biological systems. The latter are extremely complex, so there can always be mechanisms that escape our notice or understanding until we investigate them in detail.

That said, magnetism and its fundamental interactions with various materials is very well understood. A magnetic field clearly affects electrical currents (but not stationary or static electrical charges), so I'd imagine that could possibly have an effect on electrical stimulus and response, such as nerve impulses (?). As for purely magnetic interactions, that can happen only with materials made from particles with intrinsic magnetic moments, like the domains of an iron crystal. That effect is mostly rotational, so it could have the effect of aligning iron crystals in a certain direction. Maybe that effect could lead to other beneficial effects (??) - I sure don't know.

 

[penumbra]

Mg is at the center of Cholophyll

Very true yet chlorosis, is caused primarily by a lack of iron and / or magnesium and often zinc.

 

[Bruce Elliott]

Electromagnetism in the body is one of those things that's so simple that it must be quackery, but it really does need more investigation

Hey!! Have you forgotten all about my man James Clerk Maxwell*??!!

(* The scientist behind the famous Maxwell Equations that *fully* explain Classical Electromagnetic Theory. If you want a fuller story, then you've got to step up to Quantum Electrodynamics. In other words - this stuff has been really thoroughly investigated.)

 

[Shogun610]

Very true yet chlorosis, is caused primarily by a lack of iron and / or magnesium and often zinc.

Because Iron used in the pathways within the cellular structure in Mitochondrial matrix where CEC is utilized during cellular activity along with in the Chloroplas iron is used for CEC there too.

 

[Bruce Elliott]

Medical research shows exactly the opposite. When placed on or adjacent to a wound , particularly a sprain or bruise, it increases the flow of blood.

I'd imagine the magnetic field might tend to make the hemoglobin molecules align in parallel (much like iron filings around a bar magnet) and maybe - maybe - that could have some beneficial effect on blood flow (?). I'd have to guess that this has been studied by now, though.

 

[penumbra]

In healing, the negative pole (-), North side of the magnet is the pole most frequently used. Trauma causes the cellular condition to go into a positive acid state. The negative pole will increase alkalinity and reduce acidity. There are some cases where the positive pole is used, primarily for balancing the overall function of a living system. When the positive pole is used it is used in conjunction with the negative pole. An example would be placement of a very strong magnet negative pole up under one foot and positive pole up under the other. I have had a set of these magnets for about 30 years. They are so powerful that if you got a finger caught between them it could cause some damage.

 

[penumbra]

I'd imagine the magnetic field might tend to make the hemoglobin molecules align in parallel

There are very efficient water softeners that are magnets affixed to pipes that do just this.

 

[BrightsideB]

These are all from the same parent plant, same age ( 2.5 years), same soil, and same container. The last photo shows the one that had the magnet in it for one year and has fruit at 2.5 years old. I neglect these trees was in the yard and noticed one had fruit and the others didn’t then noticed the magnet and figured it had something to do with it.

 

[penumbra]

noticed one had fruit and the others didn’t then noticed the magnet and figured it had something to do with it.

Maybe, but you need to repeat it several times.

 

[BrightsideB]

Maybe, but you need to repeat it several times.

I just put magnets in a few other pots. Primarily trees that aren’t doing to well. One holly that is trying to hold on. And some other trees that have been not in to good of health. A dogwood that is still young gonna see if maybe I get some blooms next year. I have several others the same age to compare.

 

[ShadyStump]

Hey!! Have you forgotten all about my man James Clerk Maxwell*??!!

(* The scientist behind the famous Maxwell Equations that *fully* explain Classical Electromagnetic Theory. If you want a fuller story, then you've got to step up to Quantum Electrodynamics. In other words - this stuff has been really thoroughly investigated.)

I failed to specify, but was meaning their application to medicine particularly. As Arthur C. Clark said, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. We imagine future medical technology that wondrously heals non-inclusively, did we really think it would still be based entirely on molecular chemical reactions? No, understanding the effects of electromagnetic phenomena on biochemical action is what will do it.

 

[leatherback]

But if you are looking for help here related to these arcane sciences, be aware that most people on this site consider it woo woo. Funny how so many people who are scientifically inclined will not consider that everything was woo woo at some point whereas subjects such as magnetism, negative ions and moon phases have scientific bases that are yet to be confirmed to to satisfaction of most people.

To be honest ,I think this is unfair.

I for one try to find out whether there is a basis to what people write when it seems unlikely. Same here. I never heard about magnetism effects on plant growth. So I check and find out there is a huge body of research on it. There is no doubt magnetism works (Basically, plants are constantly influenced by gravity, which in is also an magnetic force field). But modifying the gravity affect plant development in a lot of ways, although not fully understood well enough to use predictably.

Frontiers | Magnetic field effects on plant growth, development, and evolution

The geomagnetic field (GMF) is a natural component of our environment. Plants, which are known to sense different wavelengths of light, respond to gravity, r...

www.frontiersin.org

Yet if you look at the effect of lunar cycles on plant growth, you find that there is ALSO a huge volume of research on it, yet there the conclusion is that there is no measurable influence.

What Has Been Thought and Taught on the Lunar Influence on Plants in Agriculture? Perspective from Physics and Biology

This paper reviews the beliefs which drive some agricultural sectors to consider the lunar influence as either a stress or a beneficial factor when it comes to organizing their tasks. To address the link between lunar phases and agriculture from a scientific perspective, we conducted a review of...

www.mdpi.com

 

[penumbra]

To be honest ,I think this is unfair.

For me to be really honest, my friend, it is only unfair if it is taken personally. Obviously the comment wasn't directed towards you or to any of the current responders. There are many who who would wear that badge with honor.

 

[HorseloverFat]

*Inhales Sharply*

Just use TWO magnets to create (near) -Perpetual Motion...

Attach them to an electric generator...

*exhales fog*.

Cool magnets! What’re we talking about?

 

[sorce]

They call Iron Oxide, "paramagnetic". Less Magnetic than iron.

I don't see the next breakdown that the plants use being affected by a magnet.

So I reckon Iron talk can be ended.

Probably has more to do with pressure on cell walls.

I wonder if you flip it over, will you get better root growth?


Sorce

 

[HorseloverFat]

They call Iron Oxide, "paramagnetic". Less Magnetic than iron.

I don't see the next breakdown that the plants use being affected by a magnet.

So I reckon Iron talk can be ended.

Probably has more to do with pressure on cell walls.

I wonder if you flip it over, will you get better root growth?


Sorce

Have there been “Zero-G” cellular experiments?.... all those astro/cosmo-nauts... on the space station... sprouting beans and chia pets.....