Post em' Up! Non-Coniferous Yamadori in the Americas

Scott, what lets you ID this tree as winged elm vs. cedar elm for example? Does it flower in the spring? I've never noticed flowers on any of my elms, not sure why.

I have to admit, it's not certain. Both cedar elm and winged elm are native to this area. I find them very difficult to tell apart. I've never seen this flower, but I have seen the cedar elms flower where I've collected them, so I'm sure the cedar elms I have are in fact crassifolia. They produce wings too, just nowhere near as much cork as this. Bark is different also - so I suspect alata.

Scott
 
Scott, what lets you ID this tree as winged elm vs. cedar elm for example? Does it flower in the spring? I've never noticed flowers on any of my elms, not sure why.

mmmm. Did you even LOOK at the last picture?
 
mmmm. Did you even LOOK at the last picture?

I don't think Ulmus alata is the only type of elm that makes corky wings. Am I wrong Jim? Can you ID that tree from the picture?
 
Here's what I understand. Along the gulf coast, both alata and crassifolia produce corky wings. They can be difficult to tell apart:
  1. Cedar elms don't bark as prolifically as Winged elm
  2. The underside of the leaf on a Cedar elm tends to be rough to the feel - winged elm is less so
  3. You can tell definitively by blooming time. Crassifolia (cedar elm) are one of only two native fall blooming elms (the September elm is the only other). Ulmus parvifolia also blooms in the fall. All other natives bloom in spring.
Because of the difference in seasonal blooming time, the cedar elm doesn't hybridize with other elms. But I think that the winged elm will readily cross with other spring-blooming natives (americana and rubra are the only other two that grow natively in Texas). Because of this, species characteristics can be unreliable and identification really difficult.

However, you can nail cedar ID if they are blooming. So I know the cedars I've collected are cedars because they were in a grove of fall blooming elms. I've never seen this tree bloom, but it does cork much more prolifically than the trees I know are cedars and the bark has really different character. So I strongly suspect it's a Winged elm, not a cedar. But I'm not a botanist and can't be sure unless it blooms. If it is a Winged elm - it's also possible that its got some American elm in its genes, but I'd have no idea how to tell.

In the end, it doesn't really matter - other than the blooming, the culture is identical. Wire new growth in spring (branches thicken rapidly during the growing season). Be VERY careful of the wire cutting in. Remove wire and cut back once the branches set and repeat. We get 2-3 growth cycles a season. Grow in a well-draining soil mix - they respond vigorously to fertilization, so for developed trees, withhold fertilizer until after the spring growth has hardened off.

- Scott
 
Here are three pics I had of Cedar elm I collected. The two big ones should finally get some attention and move into training pots this spring. The huge monster one with no leaves is shown at the time of collection and has been roughly trimmed and has filled out since then.
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Just an FYI, in previous posts here I've been referring to a bunch of my trees as Cedar elm but noticed flowers for the first time this year on a handful of them. Cedar elm (Ulmus Crassifolia) flowers in the fall, so I now believe that I have at least a few (if not all) Winged elm (Ulmus alata) or something similar. The large elm with yellowed leaves in my previous post is one that flowered, so it is definitely not Cedar elm.
 
I don't think Ulmus alata is the only type of elm that makes corky wings. Am I wrong Jim? Can you ID that tree from the picture?

My collected cedar elm grows corky wings on strong growth too.
 
Just collected this Hackberry. Still new to bonsai and collecting, I'm welcoming advice on how to keep her alive.
 

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I would be interested in your thoughts as to what a true Yamadori actually is? I would also be interested in why you would throw down a sort of challenge or submit a critique but refuse to post your own evidence as to what is or is not true Yamadori?

Interesting points:confused:.
 
I will not be posting. Though I have numerous collected non-coniferous trees, I have yet to uncover true "Yamadori".
The above statement, is the original concept of principle set forth by Bunjeh: My reply after waiting for a response. Before you can uncover the legendary true Yamadori I believe it is first necessary to define exactly what that is. So-----What is a true Yamidore?

In my experience on the forum for very many years I have found that many of the most condescending, and arrogant statements, like that above, come from people that are literally legends in their own minds. They read a few books, watch some INTERNET videos, smoke a doobie and dream about how wonderful their personal vision of bonsai is.

They then feel it necessary to post information telling us how off track our vision of bonsai is. Finding themselves unable to post images of their own trees because, they do not exist except in their own minds they suggest they have many. Knowing that what they believe feels right and therefore, must be true, they speak their minds not realizing they are more akin to a fart in a crowded elevator, than a voice from on high declaring the truth of a bonsai god. Therefore we get the following, posted as though we mere mortals are unworthy of viewing this amazing display of bonsai creations.

I will not be posting. I have numerous collected non-coniferous trees, I have yet to uncover true "Yamadori". Bunjeh
 
Here are a couple of my Corkscrew Willows just collected this spring. They were cuttings and rooted in water so I guess not true Yamadori since I didn't have to dig roots?
This is my Jap Honeysuckle collected because of it's crazy roots. May never make it to a pot but we'll see. Seems to be living well with many new buds this week.
 

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