Probio Carbon - Mirai Asymmetry Podcast with Karen O’Hanlon

[Rivian]

I, for one, abhor trollishness

I have have I am entirely opposite experience

it’s very clear these trees have not been harmed in any means by use of their products

Same here, but having spent ~180 bucks on their products with no noticeable results to point to, I question if its worth it for the average Joe.
Maybe hornbeam enthusiasts could benefit decently, and folks with a lot of mature, expensive trees, or disease prone ones like Chaenomeles

 

[BobbyLane]

I guess im a bit stuck in my ways. I get amazing growth results with Tomatoe feed, Miracle gro, Seaweed and fish, blood/bone. I highly doubt I'd get even better results adding the 'next best thing'.

 

[August]

Interesting discussion.

Followed the podcast and her reasoning made more sense than most or all of the people selling new products H of which I am usually sceptical. I also purchased but don’t expect to be able to provide conclusive proof of it working.

She did mention several times that she has no clue whether or not the particular rhizo/endo bacteria/fungi is effective in other localities / climates. Her research was focused on patches of land in her native Ireland, and her bonsai "test subject" was also working in the UK. So there certainly werent any guarantees or promises made (for the foreign market, I mean)

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

I guess im a bit stuck in my ways. I get amazing growth results with Tomatoe feed, Miracle gro, Seaweed and fish, blood/bone. I highly doubt I'd get even better results adding the 'next best thing'.

Yes, definitely I tend to be off a similar mindset, yet the science and data on some of the new ‘natural treatments’ biochar - a centuries old treatment, kelp, fulvic and humic acid is undeniable. So I decided to give it a spin.

I have a couple reservations. This treatment relies on a healthy rhizosphere… the minute the rhizosphere gets exposed to extra NPK+ in fertilizer fungicides, insecticides, mitacodes and whateveracides that changes the entire ecology. Possibly totally negating any positive impact of this treatment.

Consequently a good effect could be appearing, only to have it be reversed… high temperatures adds a while ‘nother set of variables…. and the aforementioned climate (mine being very similar to PBC)

So somewhat of a crapshoot… depending on one’s horticultural approach.

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[R0b]

She did mention several times that she has no clue whether or not the particular rhizo/endo bacteria/fungi is effective in other localities / climates. Her research was focused on patches of land in her native Ireland, and her bonsai "test subject" was also working in the UK. So there certainly werent any guarantees or promises made (for the foreign market, I mean)

Which is what I like. She told a story that didn’t sound like complete bs and didn’t claim her product would solve everything.

 

[isid]

Which is what I like. She told a story that didn’t sound like complete bs and didn’t claim her product would solve everythin.

Yes, I am sticking now to this explanation: irish bacteria's don't like Mediterranean weather.
Still, I dont see in any of the satisfied users comment any mention about this loss of apical dominance. After all this was the promise wasn't it ?

 

[isid]

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[Colorado]

Fair enough.

I will say that I have not noticed any groundbreaking changes either since I started using the products this year for the first time. However, all trees have been very healthy. It’s hard to say if its because of the products or the unseasonably mild and wet spring/summer we’re having. In any event, I haven’t noticed any adverse effects whatsoever on my collection of 50+ trees.

I will also add that I have a trident maple which I just acquired from another practitioner last fall. When it leafed out this spring it was obvious that it is suffering some kind of fungal infection. I have treated it 3 times now with Maru, 2 weeks apart per the label recommendation. It is doing MUCH better now. I suspect that by the end of the growing season it will have kicked the infection, but we’ll see. I’m going to do a few more applications of the Maru. I do think it’s helping.

This trident seems to have completely resolved the fungal infection. This was an extremely severe infection and now it looks 100% healthy.

I will definitely be using Maru as a fungal control in the future!

Although at this time, I do not intend to use prophylactically. I plan to use as the need arises.

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

Used both the spring soil drench and the Biochar as appropriate on all the non azalea bonsai this spring. Also Biochar in all azalea repots

All plants are healthy and robust with strong growth and no fungus nor pests. Yet this is pretty much the norm

That said, I can’t say positively if this is due to the Probiocarb products or not. Mostly as my trees haven’t had issues for a at least three years.

Maybe a better test would be on trees that have issues, or those where mainstream fungicides and insecticides were used a this seems to be where positive results are most noticeable

@Wires_Guy_wires has a much more comprehensive review of these products

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[SouthernMaple]

To the people that didn't have good results, do you have filters on your garden hoses to remove chlorine. Somewhere I think it was the Peter Warren interview, he said that chlorine will kill the bacteria in the product.

I have been using a hose filter that gets rid of 97% of the chlorine in my city water, I wonder if that is enough for this product to work. I just bought some and it should be arriving soon.

I bought the dried version and will be putting it on my maples that usually get aphids in the next few weeks, sun burn in a few months and powdery mildew in the wet falls that we have up here in western north carolina.

I have been moving away from chemical pesticides and fungicides over the last few years as I live next to an 9 acre field and my neighbor raises bees and I don't want to contribute to the death of beneficial insects. Last year I used a praying mantis egg and they wiped out my aphid problem. This year I have 4 praying mantis eggs in my bonsai garden.

If I could find a product to make my maples more sun resilient and knock out the powdery mildew in the wetter seasons that would make my life so much easier.

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

knock out the powdery mildew in the wetter seasons that would make my life so much easier.

Try peroxide spray. Trichoderma cultures like harzarium and viride can be beneficial to combat mildew too.
We have about the cleanest tap water in the world, but the products didn't help my outdoor plants. Indoor plants did pretty well though.

But then again, peroxide will kill those bacteria too. I have used it to knock down mildew with a 95% success rate.