Procumbens...(nana)..maintenance before & after

[MichaelS]

Mikawa JBP is supposed to be seed from the JBP native to the island of Mikawa. They supposedly have better bark and somewhat shorter needles than JBP native to other parts of Japan.

Itoigawa Shimpaku are supposed to have been originally from the mountains near Itoigawa, likewise for Kishu.

I know.

 

[Adair M]

Just pointing out that every Non US person has this right.

Wake up USA!

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Why do you think they care what bush they sell you?

It doesn't matter what the Damn tag said...

Stop believing what you thought you believed!


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[Adair M]

I know.

Then you should know that many,many varieties of Juniper can have both juvi and scale foliage. A lot of the American varieties will do it, and we know that Kishu and Itoigawa do it. Even Foemina!

Cue Mike Frary!

 

[MichaelS]

Then you should know that many,many varieties of Juniper can have both juvi and scale foliage. A lot of the American varieties will do it, and we know that Kishu and Itoigawa do it. Even Foemina!

Cue Mike Frary!

I've never seen one species of American juniper in my life. I've already said that all the chinesis can do it. Wha't's your point?

 

[Adair M]

I've never seen one species of American juniper in my life. I've already said that all the chinesis can do it. Wha't's your point?

My bad, I thought you said the only juniper with two types of foliage was San Jose. But you were clearly referencing Chinesis.

Hmmm... thinking about this, and how it appears that most types of juniper seem to produce both types of foliage, it seems like that the ability to produce both types is common amongst all the junipers, and there is some combination of factors that favor one type or another.

I have to admit Michael, that until relatively recently (within the past 5 years), that I thought as you do, that Procumbens only produced juvi foliage. I have been shown too many examples of Procumbens with scale to continue to hold that belief.

So it is fair for you to say you have never seen it. But not fair for you to say it cannot happen.

 

[Gustavo Martins]

Gustavo. Juniperus procumbens is the species. Nana is the same species not a sub-species. However it is a selected form of the species. It is described as ''smaller in all it's parts'' than the procumbens. Hence it's a cultivar. (cultivated variety)

According to the scientific literature, that should be J. communis nana and not J. procumbens nana.

Sure, it was distinguishing between Procumbens and Sargents. But not within cultivars of Sargents (aka "Shimpaku".

No. They were distinguish between a J. chinesis and J. procumbens. But that does not really matter. What matter is this and I quote:
" J. procumbens differs from J. chinesis by having a prostrate habitat and only decurrent (juvenile) leaves... (neoteny)"

So...

Boy! What a mess I made with my comment that Procumbens can make scale foliage.

This is incorrect.

I will say no more other than that there was once a single man who said that the Earth was round, while everyone else were sure that the Earth was flat. Another single man said that the Earth was not the centre of the Universe and that Earth rotated around the Sun, while everyone else was sure he was wrong because that was impossible.

 

[MichaelS]

According to the scientific literature, that should be J. communis nana and not J. procumbens nana.

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That might very well be the case!

 

[Vance Wood]

Communis is nothing like what we know as Procumbens. Communis is almost like Needle Juniper J. Rigida.

 

[Adair M]

I will say no more other than that there was once a single man who said that the Earth was round, while everyone else were sure that the Earth was flat. Another single man said that the Earth was not the centre of the Universe and that Earth rotated around the Sun, while everyone else was sure he was wrong because that was impossible.

But, there are several people who have stated they know of Procumbens Nana that have scale foliage. Not just me.

I have seen Procumbens that were all juvi for years and years, when, for reasons unknown, started producing scale foliage. I, too, thought it impossible, but when presented with the evidence, I could not deny it.

 

[Dalmat]

In regular nursery here you can buy one or two years old juniper procumbens nana and juniper procumbens nana gracilis. One have scale foliage other more needle like. Now I forgot which one is scale and which one is with needle foliage.

 

[barrosinc]

are there procumbens with scale foliage in Japan?

 

[chicago1980]

A lot of great observations being presented on this thread. Hope this spurns someone into studying the mechanism of this topic.

 

[Crazy Diamond]

I live in Spain, In our forum we have exactly the same discussion about the Sonare so its an international theme haha. Some people argue that real sonare will have only needles other the same as here that their procumbens mixes needles and scales. So what we can learn? no much, maybe different clones or species or bad nomenclature in the nurserys as said before in this topic

Juniperus procumbens, japanese page: only talks about needle foliage

Juniperus procumbens, japanese page: talks about scale and needle foliage