Salix progression thread

[Ugo]

Hi everyone!

Little progression of my Salix (which was an integra before cutting)

The tree was just a simple pole in June 22'

I decided to do a cut at about 6inches from the base and start from there.
The tree reacted very well to the hard prunning sending new shoots that developped from late June 22' to now.

Here the progression, unfortunately I dont have a picture of the tree in the early stage.
So far I really like working on this tree which is my first tree that I grow in ground.

July 22'


August 22'



October 22"




Today April 23'

 

[HorseloverFat]

Looking nice!!

Almost time to start "pumping the brakes"

 

[AJL]

Dont let those roots get into your foundations or drains!

 

[Ugo]

Dont let those roots get into your foundations or drains!

No sir!

Everything is at about 20-30fts so there should be no issues, especially at that side but I know they one of the worst!

 

[Ugo]

Looking nice!!

Almost time to start "pumping the brakes"

Yesss..

Well I have been really surprised by how fast the tree grew in the short amount of time.

So I had a "choice" to make.
Collect it now or cut...

My plan for this year.
-Major cut down (Done)
-Let it gown a few week after leaves harden, cuts starts healing
-Dig around the tree and install wood planks similar to a box to restraint roots grow and prepare the tree for collection next year.
-Manage foliage

What do you think?

Thanks
Ugo

 

[HorseloverFat]

Yesss..

Well I have been really surprised by how fast the tree grew in the short amount of time.

So I had a "choice" to make.
Collect it now or cut...

My plan for this year.
-Major cut down (Done)
-Let it gown a few week after leaves harden, cuts starts healing
-Dig around the tree and install wood planks similar to a box to restraint roots grow and prepare the tree for collection next year.
-Manage foliage

What do you think?

Thanks
Ugo

GOOD idea!

Did you "trench" at all this year, yet?

 

[Ugo]

GOOD idea!

Did you "trench" at all this year, yet?

No!

I will let the leaves develop and hardens.
From there I will give a few weeks depending on the results for the tree to heal and gain health.
Once sure I will dig the trench, cut big roots and install planks around, I had in mind 6inches all around, in the ground will be okay.

How does that sound?

I simply have no idea of what Im doing and trying to keep notes of my steps and how this specific tree react.
Interresting specie so far!
Can wait to start building ramification!

 

[HorseloverFat]

Your plan is solid, in my opinion.

I was just curious.



I really like Salix as a whole.. they hybridize like slutty-flubber around my neck of the swamp/dune/woods!

I feel they are under-utilized...

And take a good year or two to "slow down" in aggregate substrate and "small-potting"

Please keep us posted!

 

[LittleDingus]

No!

I will let the leaves develop and hardens.
From there I will give a few weeks depending on the results for the tree to heal and gain health.
Once sure I will dig the trench, cut big roots and install planks around, I had in mind 6inches all around, in the ground will be okay.

How does that sound?

IMO...6 inches all around is too close. I would trench closer to 2 feet out.

Reasons:

* The deeper you end up digging, the wider the trench will become.
* The further out, the smaller the roots will be that you have to cut. And the more likely feeders exist or will develop closer in. Just because a tree is still in the ground doesn't mean it will back bud roots as you like.
* Maybe most important...to me anyway...the further out, the less risk damaging nabari you can't currently see. Cutting is easy. Uncutting? Not so much.

But honestly, it's a salix. I'd likely just yank the tree at one go rather than trench. I'd only baby it if it were really special to me...which this may be to you.

 

[HorseloverFat]

IMO...6 inches all around is too close. I would trench closer to 2 feet out.

Reasons:

* The deeper you end up digging, the wider the trench will become.
* The further out, the smaller the roots will be that you have to cut. And the more likely feeders exist or will develop closer in. Just because a tree is still in the ground doesn't mean it will back bud roots as you like.
* Maybe most important...to me anyway...the further out, the less risk damaging nabari you can't currently see. Cutting is easy. Uncutting? Not so much.

But honestly, it's a salix. I'd likely just yank the tree at one go rather than trench. I'd only baby it if it were really special to me...which this may be to you.

Very fair assessment!

 

[Ugo]

IMO...6 inches all around is too close. I would trench closer to 2 feet out.

Reasons:

* The deeper you end up digging, the wider the trench will become.
* The further out, the smaller the roots will be that you have to cut. And the more likely feeders exist or will develop closer in. Just because a tree is still in the ground doesn't mean it will back bud roots as you like.
* Maybe most important...to me anyway...the further out, the less risk damaging nabari you can't currently see. Cutting is easy. Uncutting? Not so much.

But honestly, it's a salix. I'd likely just yank the tree at one go rather than trench. I'd only baby it if it were really special to me...which this may be to you.

Hi!

Sure 6inches around is way to close!
Sorry for the misunderstanding! My English is not the best..
I was talking in depth! So yes 24x24inches box seems perfect but 6inches deep in the ground!

 

[Ugo]

Your plan is solid, in my opinion.

I was just curious.



I really like Salix as a whole.. they hybridize like slutty-flubber around my neck of the swamp/dune/woods!

I feel they are under-utilized...

And take a good year or two to "slow down" in aggregate substrate and "small-potting"

Please keep us posted!

Thanks!

Yes, salix are not used much in bonsai!
So far it is easy to build amd react well to bonsai techniques.
Only point is the callus formation that is "extreme" to a point where it create bulge of callus when in ground.
It is something I will have to learn.
I did the cut at that point and time to see the reaction as major cut after leaves harden last year created lot of callus as you can see in previous pictures.

I also really like the "fluffy" buds looks before the break. I think it would look good in a demo with buds extended!

Really nice tree to work on!
Now let see if I can build a secondary ramification!

Thanks
Ugo

 

[Ugo]

Hi

Little update!
One more cutback from last April.
After letting the tree grow from April to Mid-June I cutted the tree again.
One more cutback should be done before the end of the growing season.

Beginning of June 23'






After cutback


Growing phase from June to now






Hope you enjoy!
Ugo

 

[Ugo]

Hi everyone!

I did some work today on the callus of two of the first cut I made last year.
Callus formation has been an "issue" as Salix behavior in term of callus formation is quite difficult to understand for me!

At the same time you can see the tree progression as we are now pass mid-summer.
The structure start to be more defined.
So here the work that consist in cutting the inner edge of the callous already formed in theses area and cover everything with cutting paste fllowed by a layer of cutting putty.
This procedure should allow the callus to keep rolling over the edge of the cut.

Thanks
Ugo

 

[pandacular]

slutty-flubber

wait a minute, that's what they called me in college...

 

[HorseloverFat]

wait a minute, that's what they called me in college...

This is literally a "joke construct" I use FREQUENTLY... and HAVE for most of my adult life!!!!

People nearby always give me the ol' "he thinks he's SO funny.."- look.



No doubt we are kindred spirits... Most likely comedians of ancient Greece... Or travelling, Balkan con-artis... I mean SALESFOLK.

...maybe Sri Lankan farmers.. I'm kind of getting those vibes, too.

 

[HorseloverFat]

Hi everyone!

I did some work today on the callus of two of the first cut I made last year.
Callus formation has been an "issue" as Salix behavior in term of callus formation is quite difficult to understand for me!

At the same time you can see the tree progression as we are now pass mid-summer.
The structure start to be more defined.
So here the work that consist in cutting the inner edge of the callous already formed in theses area and cover everything with cutting paste fllowed by a layer of cutting putty.
This procedure should allow the callus to keep rolling over the edge of the cut.

Thanks
Ugo
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Wonderful!!!

 

[pandacular]

This is literally a "joke construct" I use FREQUENTLY... and HAVE for most of my adult life!!!!

never gets old... at least not to me!

 

[pandacular]

woah the callus in the first two pics looks like a perfectly burnt marshmallow

what do you use to wound the callus?

 

[Ugo]

woah the callus in the first two pics looks like a perfectly burnt marshmallow

what do you use to wound the callus?

Hi

Yes that refer to the callus formation issue I mentioned in my post above.
Would you believe that I didnt put anything else that regular putty. But im not even sure it played a role in this case.
In a matter of weeks the putty was already lifted by this new callus formation and I simply couldn't stop it!
Theses 'knots' forming on the bark, I think that what these use when doing high luxurg car dash or luxury furniture. There's a specific name for the 'knots' and I think its called burl wood. when cutted the knot looks beautifull inside, like a "galaxy" or a star map so I cant wait to see if I can integrate that to the design.
I just let them age for now even if they look disgreateful