Shortleaf pine

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I have a bunch of shortleaf pines from seed and have been experimenting with them, I don’t know much about pines except watching videos or reading on here. I have cut back some branches and cut candles and these pines are back budding like crazy. I have a lot to learn but I’m enjoying having some native pines to pay with and learn from. IMG_1037.jpegIMG_1038.jpegIMG_1039.jpegIMG_1040.jpeg
 
Verso fine inverno potrai mettere il filo per dare movimento al tronco perché sono molto flessibili. Sarai ricompensato notevolmente.
 
Nice! Happy to see some others working with the species. I’ve got 4 smaller ones that I got from the conservation department sale 3 years ago. I think they can be handled very similar to a JBP as far as timings for candle cutting, needle plucking, etc.
 
I have not tried growing one yet. I was concerned they would not be fully winter hardy here. They might be now, might not be. My winters are definitely milder than they used to be. I did look Pinus echinata up on Wikipedia, and gleaned a few useful factoids that make it an interesting species to try for bonsai. It is in the Australes subsection of the genus Pinus. Making its close relatives Pinus taeda (Loblolly pine) and Pinus rigida (pitch pine). Both of these have a good track record as bonsai, with its ability to produce buds on old wood being particularly helpful. I would expect the same from Pinus echinata.

Hardiness - Wikipedia lists its native range as south of the Ohio River, most of SE USA. This would be USDA zone 7 and warmer climates. Most trees hardy in zone 7 can tolerate zone 6b, but might be iffy further north. So I doubt I could grow it as fully winter hardy here in zone 5b or 6a. With my cooler, shorter summers I would not expect to be able to get 2 flushes of growth per summer. In colder climates expect to treat it as a single flush pine.

But like I said, I have not grown one, so this is conjecture on ,my part. It does look a good candidate for bonsai, along with P. taeda and P. rigida.

Note, if you are raising a batch of seedlings. One of the negative traits for bonsai of this group of pines is needles tend to have a twist to them . Twisted needles is a variable trait, in a batch of seedlings some will have more strongly twisting needles and some will have less twisting in the needles. When selecting which seedlings to keep and which to "move on" keep the ones with less twisting all other traits being equal.
 
Thanks @Leo in N E Illinois, I have to be honest I haven’t even looked for that. They all seem to be growing well, even the ones I didn’t do anything to have buds popping low. I am not the most knowledgeable bonsai person but I have fun learning and seeing the cause and effects of what I do. I plan on wiring these up this winter and putting some serious bends on them, the crazy thing is they tend to have a j hook at the base, so that’s a plus. My plan for these are shohin size and maybe a few larger, either way I plan on planting these for a while.
 
They occur in a small pocket of central PA that used to be zone 6a. Might be considered warmer now. Just be aware if you buy the "improved" or "advanced" seeds from sheffields they are selected for genetics that INCREASE internode length and produce very straight trunks so may potentially be aggravating to work with, in comparison to the "wild" type. But on the plus side they are supposed to grow faster too. Well it's a plus during development... not sure how much it helps in refinement. But now I'm being purely hypothetical
 
An update on some of these seedlings, about maybe 3 weeks ago I cut the second flush of candles and now look like it might happen again or maybe it’s just setting for spring. They back bud like crazy and some just do back bud for no reason, either way they are fast growing. I’m learning all I can and I’m taking the cause and effect approach to an extent, I have plenty to play with so why not. I plan on putting them in the ground for a while, the only problem is they say to plant these between October and February I think. I’m confused if that’s so I wouldn’t be able to mess with the roots at that point, would I? IMG_1042.jpegIMG_1044.jpegIMG_1043.jpegIMG_1052.jpeg
 
The roots were probably 2-3 inches long when I potted the up in January, the pots are full and growing out of the bottom now. The first one is 4 inch pot and the other one is 6 inch pot. IMG_1053.jpegIMG_1054.jpeg
 
Yes, they backbud like crazy for a pine - especially at a spot an inch or two above the soil line. In nature they will sprout from that spot after a forest fire (or loggers) have killed the top of the tree.

If you aren't doing any rootwork, you can plant them into the ground at any time. I think the guidance for planting October - February is for general landscaping assuming the tree is going to be ok with very minimal supplemental watering.
 
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