Giga
Masterpiece
Many more pictures in my blog and will update with the tree's tomorrow once the suns out but enjoy. I got an eastern hemlock and 3 scrub pines.
Yamadori hunt 2015
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rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Where is this?
eugen_onegin
Mame
For curiosity sake, and being somewhat local to you, who did you contact for permission to collect? Private or Public. Would love to start actively collecting in our neck of the woods.
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
My question too. I hate to be a nag, but I will anyway. If you're digging on public land without a permit AND digging eastern hemlock you're committing some mortal sins that can reflect back on those who follow the collection rules. Eastern hemlock is threatened as a species in the Blue Ridge and may be protected by Federal laws, not clear on that, though.
pbethune
Mame
Wow....please don't attack these folks that want to express to you their love for the environment. Got many permit police on this site.... unbelievable! I enjoyed the pics, just be careful on those steep slopes.
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Are you stupid? Love for the environment doesn't mean digging up possibly protected species and knowing what laws to follow to avoid damaging the environment in public lands. Eastern Hemlock is THREATENED SPECIES in the Appalachians and is protected by some state laws (N.Carolina), if not by Federal Statute.
What's unbelievable is that you don't really get what impact illegal collection has ON THE REST OF US, including those who dig on private land, or on public land with a permit. Legal collection on public lands is already difficult enough, without a poaching problem adding to it.
What's unbelievable is that you don't really get what impact illegal collection has ON THE REST OF US, including those who dig on private land, or on public land with a permit. Legal collection on public lands is already difficult enough, without a poaching problem adding to it.
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
To clarify, tsuga Canadensis is considered threatened by biologists who are working to preserve the genetic integrity of the species after it has suffered extensive die off from introduced insect attack (wooly adelgid). It is considered a relatively "safe" species in Va., but there is still considerable environmental pressure on the species and it is in severe decline.
http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/42431/0
That is true through much of its range in the east. Collecting them is not a great thing to do even WITH a permit--which is very unlikely to be granted.
http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/42431/0
That is true through much of its range in the east. Collecting them is not a great thing to do even WITH a permit--which is very unlikely to be granted.
evmibo
Shohin
On his blog he mentioned doing a separate update on these. 3 scrub pine and 1 eastern hemlock.
pbethune
Mame
W.H.O. says trees are more important that people. Mortal sin for trees, what a joke. We have killings and genocide all over the world, but lets concentrate on a guy who is only collecting a few for himself. Who's more stupid...
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Didn't say trees are more important than people. I said COLLECT WITH A PERMIT, ACCORDING TO THE RULES. AVOID TAKING SPECIES THAT ARE THREATENED. Pretty much common sense, something that seems to elude you. The "collect only a few for themselves" crap is a weak, dimwitted argument. If everyone helps themselves to stuff, just for personal use, then that stuff will soon be gone. ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE ITS ALREADY LIMITED. The areas in the Blue Ridge where this species grows has a shortage of viable trees to support the species there. Removing trees doesn't make that pool any larger.
GrimLore
Bonsai Nut alumnus... we miss you
I agree. But hey he might bring something new to the table and for that I am interested
Grimmy
GrimLore
Bonsai Nut alumnus... we miss you
Must add -
I must also point out that he is and should be treated as an fellow human being AND not looked down upon as if he is somewhat "less intelligent" by explaining to him as if he were a child that there are rules... I am pretty certain he does not need to be attacked for his collection. Just my pennies - no need to argue with me as you(not John) are trying to do with Giga. C'mon Nutters
Lets try polite and if you feel a need to jump down a strangers poop shoot do it in PM.
Grimmy
I must also point out that he is and should be treated as an fellow human being AND not looked down upon as if he is somewhat "less intelligent" by explaining to him as if he were a child that there are rules... I am pretty certain he does not need to be attacked for his collection. Just my pennies - no need to argue with me as you(not John) are trying to do with Giga. C'mon Nutters
Lets try polite and if you feel a need to jump down a strangers poop shoot do it in PM.Grimmy
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Oh good lord. Did I suggest we treat him like an animal or that he be considered less than human? My statement to Giga was pretty tame, I thought. My reaction to the idiot troll post concerning "permit police" was not.
Giga
Masterpiece
Warm springs area
It's at my parents cabin and yes I got permission
it's not threated there as there the predominated species up there, plus it was on my parents land. my folks no everyone there, had a sheriff even offer to help. Please try and stay on topic
Yeah.....fell once but my face stopped the fall and it wasn't far. I was very carful and slow there-after.
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Giga
Masterpiece
Yes they do as I have a small one that was a test bed and I've seen a few back in the day when I lived in PA
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Fair enough, Giga. I AM staying on topic. Since I have been labeled the permit police and a gross violator of human rights for suggesting that people actually understand what they're doing, I'll go ahead and say that researching species you intend to collect, knowing what you're digging is an essential part of collecting. The attitude that cropped up here that permits are silly and unnecessary leads to bad outcomes for all bonsaiists. Ignoring the issue doesn't help.
Giga
Masterpiece
no ones skirting the issue, and research was done, just pm me if you have so many issues with me or with people in the thread. Makes not want to post even though I went through the right channel, still you to rant on MY post
michaelj
Chumono
Calling people stupid and idiots and flying off the handle before you had any reason to suspect that the OP was collecting illegally or irresponsibly was inappropriate. And the label of "gross violator of human rights" and the "attitude that cropped up here that permits are silly and unnecessary" are figments of your imagination. This sort of bickering is going to lead to other people not wanting to even share their collecting experiences with the group, and that diminishes the value of this forum.
ABCarve
Masterpiece
They're great trees for bonsai. I have a number of them collected from my lot.
