Gypsy Moth; a dark side of warmer winters

penumbra

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I was delighted by the slightly warmer temps these past couple of winters because I had fewer concerns regarding winter damage. Now I am hoping for a few cold winters. The Gypsy moth returned to my area like I have not experienced in decades. Apparently they handle down to 16 F with no problem, and in some instances can handle colder temperature lows. For those who have not experienced their presence first hand, and for those who need a reminder, let me briefly describe the pleasure of the company of these creatures.

It starts when you are working in the woods and you hear what sounds like a light rain around you. Then you recognize the caterpillars feces, small black pellets about half the size of a grain of rice raining down of you. A few days later pieces of oak leaves descend as though a hail storm has torn them living from the trees. The smelly black feces and the leaf litter build up on all surfaces and stain the wood and stone. This continues a few weeks and then you see the trunks of you 60 to 100 foot oaks covered with hoards of these invaders. Soon afterward, they are on the buildings, vehicles, and all other surfaces including my bonsai benches. The Gypsy moth's love for oaks spares many of the other trees but you have to maintain vigilance because there are over 100 trees they will feed on, and they have few predators. During a wet season as we have had this past spring, many of these caterpillars will die from a fungus disease that leaves their smelly carcasses hanging from the trunks of your trees and structures. You began to rejoice a little at the sight of these dead little bodies. But now, you can't walk outside without thousands of erratic moths flying in your face searching for a mate, and you realize........They will be back. There are a lot more nasty things I could share about these creatures, but that would take all the joy out of it. I will add that many people have allergic reactions similair to poison ivy from the caterpillars and from the egg masses that will soon appear. Sometimes this happens with air born particles and does not even require touching. It plays havoc with you respiratory system, particularly if you are already compromised with asthma, copd or a similar issue.

Have a good day.
 
Are these also known as tent caterpillars? We have so many of them this year in our area. They love broadleaf trees like red buds, pecan, oak. I have them in my apricot. This year is the first time I have seen trees got completely defoliated. The leaves got replaced with the web.
Here is one wondering on my black pine.
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@penumbra I totally feel your pain. We have been in a Gypsy Moth (or Spongy Moth as they are now called, I guess) population explosion for the past few years. 30 years ago we had it so bad that entire swathes of oak forest were defoliated. I can somewhat mitigate the damage to my landscape oaks by wrapping the trunks with burlap. Then every day I go out with my trusty crucible tongs from back in my chemistry days and pick off all the caterpillars that are snoozing under the burlap, dropping them into a jug of soapy water. 30 years ago I counted the caterpillars that I exterminated and I stopped counting at 15,000. I got so mad one day that I fired up my portable propane torch and burned all the ones I could see, but then quickly realized that was not so good for the tree bark. In our family, we called it "Worm Rage"LOL.

We cannot use our deck because of the poop rain. It is especially gross when real rain makes all the poops mushy >gag< AFAIK there is nothing that preys upon them and no pesticide that works (that is still legal). I think the population might be close to collapse this year and I hope so for you too.
 
The other problem is ticks.
I've been bitten by at least 2 in the last 2 weeks because one of my work sites cant treat because its a "conservation area" and Im there anywhere from 1-4 days a week.
So just about all of us have had ticks on us in the last month already. I cant help but wonder when the risk to our health outweighs other considerations, especially when there are organic treatments that can be applied every couple of months that would be effective in knocking them back.
Now on a vigil for the next month for symptoms of one of the many tick borne illnesses to manifest itself and Ill have to call the local doctors office that specializes in that
I HATE ticks
 
Are these also known as tent caterpillars? We have so many of them this year in our area. They love broadleaf trees like red buds, pecan, oak. I have them in my apricot. This year is the first time I have seen trees got completely defoliated. The leaves got replaced with the web.
Here is one wondering on my black pine.
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Not the same as tent caterpillars. Different scourge. Lucky here in the N. Va. area, we haven't got the Gypsy moths, but we've got the tent caterpillars. We're also starting to see spotted lantern flies.
 
think the population might be close to collapse this year and I hope so for you too.
I am afraid it is just a new beginning of this scourge for us. I expect to see them for a couple more years before they quiet down. Thirty years back we actually lost some large oaks due to three years of complete defoliation. I am sure hoping that is not the case this go around.
The other problem is ticks
I find three different ticks thriving in my area and they love me. The deer ticks are worst 'cause I can't see them without reading glasses and I can't look everywhere they might hang out. I have been treated 3 times for Lyme disease and would not be awfully surprised if I have it now. I know that my joints are a mess and not just because of my work and age. I also expect it was at least part of the reason I had an ablation on all 4 chambers of my heart last November. The spirochete that is Lyme disease is a rapidly evolving little bastard. My scientists believe that it evolved from the spirochete that caused leprosy. I guess if one of these Lone Star ticks (yes, we have those too) gets me my goose is cooked.
Still loving life, but it is wearing.
 
I am afraid it is just a new beginning of this scourge for us. I expect to see them for a couple more years before they quiet down. Thirty years back we actually lost some large oaks due to three years of complete defoliation. I am sure hoping that is not the case this go around.

I find three different ticks thriving in my area and they love me. The deer ticks are worst 'cause I can't see them without reading glasses and I can't look everywhere they might hang out. I have been treated 3 times for Lyme disease and would not be awfully surprised if I have it now. I know that my joints are a mess and not just because of my work and age. I also expect it was at least part of the reason I had an ablation on all 4 chambers of my heart last November. The spirochete that is Lyme disease is a rapidly evolving little bastard. My scientists believe that it evolved from the spirochete that caused leprosy. I guess if one of these Lone Star ticks (yes, we have those too) gets me my goose is cooked.
Still loving life, but it is wearing.

If you think you are infected now, you should get tested.
You do not want to wait it out because as you probably know, the longer it goes on, the worse it gets.
Its not something to mess with for sure
 
If you think you are infected now, you should get tested.
You do not want to wait it out because as you probably know, the longer it goes on, the worse it gets.
Its not something to mess with for sure
Once you've had it it is really hard to test for, It's easy to get rid off w/some antibiotics. Maybe your Dr will write you a perscription for a bad cold-Cough cough. plus it's not desierable to have on your medical history either.
 
Appreciate your concern, but my test is always negative though I have had the bull's eye twice. Actually my dentist will give me a prescription. He understand this disease very well. Apparently mine is chronic. I can knock it back but apparently will always carry it.
 
Once you've had it it is really hard to test for, It's easy to get rid off w/some antibiotics. Maybe your Dr will write you a perscription for a bad cold-Cough cough. plus it's not desierable to have on your medical history either.
I've never had it.

Don't know where you live but where I am, medical records are confidential and there are few instances where you would be compelled to reveal that information
 
I've never had it.

Don't know where you live but where I am, medical records are confidential and there are few instances where you would be compelled to reveal that information
Life insurance would be one of the big ones, There's a few more but I'll refrain as politics are frowned upon in this forum and rightfully so.
 
I hate ticks too. I always wonder, why can I give my dog and cat medicine that will kill ticks systemically, but there is no similar medicine for humans???
There is such a medicine, it's called TP05 it kills ticks in much the same way as the dog pills do. A tick has to bite you and then it dies. There is some concern that by then it is too late. I certainly don't want to get into a debate over if it works or not cuz I don't know.
 
I am afraid it is just a new beginning of this scourge for us. I expect to see them for a couple more years before they quiet down. Thirty years back we actually lost some large oaks due to three years of complete defoliation. I am sure hoping that is not the case this go around.

I find three different ticks thriving in my area and they love me. The deer ticks are worst 'cause I can't see them without reading glasses and I can't look everywhere they might hang out. I have been treated 3 times for Lyme disease and would not be awfully surprised if I have it now. I know that my joints are a mess and not just because of my work and age. I also expect it was at least part of the reason I had an ablation on all 4 chambers of my heart last November. The spirochete that is Lyme disease is a rapidly evolving little bastard. My scientists believe that it evolved from the spirochete that caused leprosy. I guess if one of these Lone Star ticks (yes, we have those too) gets me my goose is cooked.
Still loving life, but it is wearing.
Also had heart issues from Lyme many years ago. Fortunately not ongoing. Now every time I have a lodged tick I take Doxy for 3 days. Know someone who worked for the CDC said it will prevent Lyme if taken immediately. So far so good.
 
Also had heart issues from Lyme many years ago. Fortunately not ongoing. Now every time I have a lodged tick I take Doxy for 3 days. Know someone who worked for the CDC said it will prevent Lyme if taken immediately. So far so good.
This is very good advice. I believe mine is a systemic infection (they may all be). I am probably due for a round.
I appreciate that so many of you piped in here.
 
Lyme disease is usually no big deal. I've had it twice, and both times, a round of antibiotics brought it to a swift end. Occasionally, it is resistant to antibiotic treatment, and it persists for years. Doctors are often unfamiliar with the persistent form and struggle to effectively treat it. I've learned from a friend with a persistent case of Lyme that it takes persistence on the part of the patient to get access to effective treatment. She's had it for years and requires regular rounds of antibiotics to suppress it.
 
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