Which species is this tree/bush (bonsai)?

Ok. Thank you all for your opinions. It looks like it is a ilex crenata after all. I will get some more pictures if anything new appears on the tree. If anyone has any special advice on care prunning or anything really I will take it.

Otherwise thanks all of you who helped!
 
Yes

Lazylightningny said:
vomitoria? really? does it make you puke?
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In fact that is the very reason for that part of the name. Certain Native American tribes used it regularly as a right of passage; can you eat these berries and be "man enough" to hold it down for X amount of time. Never tried it but have been told that is makes ipecac seem "calming".
 
klosi said:
Ok. Thank you all for your opinions. It looks like it is a ilex crenata after all. I will get some more pictures if anything new appears on the tree. If anyone has any special advice on care prunning or anything really I will take it.

Otherwise thanks all of you who helped!
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For lots more info on Ilex (including historical anecdotes about native Americans, caffeine and vomiting) check out Adam's blog. http://adamaskwhy.wordpress.com/?s=ilex
 
Hi you all again!
I don't want to open a new thread for nothing, so I will write here.
I repotted this tree some month or 3 weeks ago and rootprunned it also, because it came from the store and the soil was very strange. It was not draining well and water retention was too high. There was also some clay (not burned clay, regular river clay or how should I put it :)) in it and the roots were coming out of drainage wholes.
So I repotted it in lava rocks of size 5-10mm (I know, a bit big) and now the tree is loosing its's vigour. The trees are wilted and look very poor. I water it regularly and monitor the moistness of the rocks. Also I mist the leaves 3-5 times a day.

:confused:

Is there anything I can do now?
Whyt should I do?
How do I know the tree is even still alive?

Thank you for any guidelines and help! :rolleyes:
 
Klosi, please update your profile with your location. It will help us give you better advice.

Dont fertilize. I would keep this tree in a spot that gets some morning sun and shade the rest of the day.

You say you are "watering regularly". What do you mean by that? How often and how dry/wet is the soil when you do water? Is it dropping leaves? What color are the leaves? Can you post a picture?
 
Ok. It is dropping leaves, but maybe not as much as they are just dying off. I read somewhere that ttree loosing its foliage could be a consequnce of repotting and rootprunning.
I have it mosty in a shade. Because I don't want it dry out completly.
I check the soil that it is not very wet and water it every evefing except if I think it is still moist enough.
I almost never let it completly dry the upper level of soil because I think that it does not hold water maybe very well. I mean the stones are moist and have good water retenting specs but the water pours out when I water the tree.

I will try to get the picture up later.

Thank you
 
It doesnt sound like you've done anything wrong. It could just be transplant stress (I hope).

I have 2 I repotted 2 weeks ago and I was pretty harsh on the root removal of one in particular, but it still had alot of fine roots when I was done. So far, Im not getting the response you have.

What were the roots like when you repotted? How much did you remove and what was left when you finished? Did you also remove some foliage to compensate for the root reduction?

Sorry for so many questions but knowing the answers could help us figure it out.
 
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I prefer questions to speculations :)
So...
The roots looked nice, except they were very long and I prunned pretty hard, it was my first doing of this, so i might screwed it up, but I hope not. I left few young and good looking roots and I think it should be enough.
I was thinking of removing some foliage to compensate, buu I am not sure if that would be even more stressfull for the tree.
I still have it placed in with the wire (as an anchor), which I will be taking it out in 2 weeks or so, but that should not have any influence.
Should I remove some foliage? I was not sure about that, because it is an evergreen schrub (as I read it).
 
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I always try to maintain a good root to foliage ratio and heavily prune after a major root reduction. I think Juniper is the only exception but even their foliage is reduced but just a bit.

Only worked with yaupon holly and those I almost totally defoliate when I collect them...and most bounced back with a vengeance.
 
Interesting, thanks.
I've read somewhere that one should not prune and defoliate after repotting rootprunning as it produces eve larger shock than repotting and rootpruning is for itself...

So your (to all who are kind enough to share it) advice whould be what? Defoliate? Prune it? Both?
 
klosi said:
Interesting, thanks.
I've read somewhere that one should not prune and defoliate after repotting rootprunning as it produces eve larger shock than repotting and rootpruning is for itself...

So your (to all who are kind enough to share it) advice whould be what? Defoliate? Prune it? Both?
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You probably read that about junipers.

On broad leaf, I just prune hard which also takes away most leaves. At the same time, I take the tree where I want it and remove all unwanted branches...win-win. ;)
 
The branches that are wilting may be doing so because the roots that supported them got cut back or are no longer there. I would cut these back some but not all the way to the trunk. Try to leave some foliage near the trunk if you can, they may bounce back. I would leave the healthy looking branches. I would not defoliate everything.
 
Ok, thank to you both on these advices. I will prune it a bit, maybe cut off a branch that was looking nasty at me.
Thanks!
 
Poink88 said:
I always try to maintain a good root to foliage ratio and heavily prune after a major root reduction. I think Juniper is the only exception but even their foliage is reduced but just a bit.
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You say this like 50 times a month on this forum, but a little research will show that most horticultural institutes believe this to be false. You prune back to have a shorter trunk, thats it. The only way the above will help, is if you are pruning to fit the tree into a mist bench or something. I am not saying your trees will die from top and bottom reductions, just that doing so to help the tree is proven to be ineffective.

http://rangerservicesinc.com/Articles/ISA Top 10 Tree Myths.pdf

http://hort.ifas.ufl.edu/woody/pruning-needs.shtml

This is the result of like 5 minutes googling. I don't even have time to look back at pdfs, lecture notes and books that stack up time and again to say that pruning after root loss is not beneficial for tree establishment/recovery.
 
gergwebber said:
You say this like 50 times a month on this forum, but a little research will show that most horticultural institutes believe this to be false. You prune back to have a shorter trunk, thats it. The only way the above will help, is if you are pruning to fit the tree into a mist bench or something. I am not saying your trees will die from top and bottom reductions, just that doing so to help the tree is proven to be ineffective.

http://rangerservicesinc.com/Articles/ISA Top 10 Tree Myths.pdf

http://hort.ifas.ufl.edu/woody/pruning-needs.shtml

This is the result of like 5 minutes googling. I don't even have time to look back at pdfs, lecture notes and books that stack up time and again to say that pruning after root loss is not beneficial for tree establishment/recovery.
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I say what I practice and believe...many do what you referred to and have much higher failure rate than I. Have you seen how well most of my trees developed in less than 2 years? By the book, I am not supposed to work on them until about now. ;)

I am not forcing it on anyone...ignore me if you want, that is perfectly fine by me. :)
 
Hmmm... Yes as in any form of science/art and anything that is not as strict as math, there will be different theories of what is right and what is wrong. This is normal and only very extensive researches which would be constructed well and tested even better will give us acurate assumptions.
Thank you both for your insight.
 
As Q-Bonsai posted on another thread...

There are theorists and there are practitioners...then there are both and neither. :p LOL
 
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