Marco Invernizzi's new tool - "Ichiban"

I would say "not the entry level, originally priced to reflect quality pots that flood the Western markets"... the funny thing is that the quality ones aren't that much more expensive than what you pay for the shitty ones on the market. Same goes for tools... I acquired quality Chinese tools (Japanese market specs) last year and the set was priced at the same level as a pair of crapola Chinese shears you find in most shops. They are top-notch, good steel, very comfortable to use, very sharp and serviceable. I will be getting a small crate of mame and shohin pots (overstock or old stock Chinese Yixing and Japanese Tokoname) towards the end of summer, also for a very low price.

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And by the way, there are also modern Chinese pots in the top level exhibitions in Japan...

In my considerable years on this planet, I've found that quality and Chinese is a oxymoron, but I would loved to be proved wrong. Having never been nor will I ever go the an exihibit in Japan, I will have to take your word for it, unless you have proof to back up your statement.

keep it green,
Harry
 
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Too bad. Progress is progress. Chinese products do continue to improve in quality. I have several "old" chinese containers that are crap. I've not bought Chinese bonsai tools in years (and will stick with Japanese). However, you have to remember that "Made in Japan" used to mean something was crap too, back in the '60s and '70s. Things change.

The quality of Yixing-made pots is usually excellent and the kilns there predate Japanese kilns. The pots produced in the region have long been exceedingly good. They are now becoming more widely avaliable. Sure, there are extremely bad CHinese pots, but things are changing for the better.
 
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Harry,

Respectfully, I believe there is some truth to what is said. I've seen some nicer pots come out of China in recent years and have heard the same that some of the Tokoname ware is in fact from China. I have also been told by those "in the know" that a lot of the trees shown in major exhibits in Japan are shown in antique Chinese pots.

This tree was repotted into the pot shown, a special antique Chinese pot before it was displayed at BIB 10. The picture shows a little distortion, but I assure you in person it is quite nice (and quite valuable to some).

But, as has been said, quality is quality and crap is crap, no matter it's origin.
 
I know that both you gentlemen believe your sources that antique chinese pots are being shown in Japan, it may very well be true, I have no way of knowing if it's true or how many, it could be two or200. My dad told me not to believe anything you hear and half of what you see.

Regards,
Harry
 
I know that both you gentlemen believe your sources that antique chinese pots are being shown in Japan, it may very well be true, I have no way of knowing if it's true or how many, it could be two or200. My dad told me not to believe anything you hear and half of what you see.

Regards,
Harry

Very true, Harry. I can only repeat what I've been told, not quote it as fact. I will get the chance to spend some time with a Kokufu winner next month and could ask for his experience, if you like. (surely by then this thread will have died, no?)
 
I've been traveling back and forth to Japan for over 40 years and have made over 50 trips. The finest masterpiece bonsai are nearly ALWAYS planted in Antique Chinese Containers.

in fact, Kobayashi RENTS them, only for Kokufu Bonsai Exhibition. After the show, the trees are put back in their original containers.

The highest prices in Japan are for Antique Chinese Containers. They are expensive because of their beauty, manufacturing (many hand made) and patina. Most were imported into Japan over 200 years ago and many 400 years ago.

I've been there, I've seen them firs hand.

Bill
 
I never claimed that modern Chinese pots are used in Japanese exhibitions, but it is an extremely-well documented fact that antique Chinese containers are. "Kowatari" or "old crossing" pots and Nakawatari pots "new crossing" (just before the turn of the last century --which refer to them being shipped from China to Japan), are extremely valuable in Japan and served as models for Japanese containers. Kowatari pots are sought after for use at the Kokufu exhibition.

Here's a pretty good history of the relationship:
http://home.earthlink.net/~thevillagesbonsaiclub/id12.html

I have also seen and held antique Chinese pots in the National Arboretum's collection (they have a vast store of donated pots--from Japanese and Chinese dignitaries, as well as wealthy businessmen in Japan and the US) that are masterpieces of the craft. It's not talked about much, but some of the Chinese antique containers in the Arb's collection are worth much more than the trees they contain.
 
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I've been traveling back and forth to Japan for over 40 years and have made over 50 trips. The finest masterpiece bonsai are nearly ALWAYS planted in Antique Chinese Containers.

in fact, Kobayashi RENTS them, only for Kokufu Bonsai Exhibition. After the show, the trees are put back in their original containers.

The highest prices in Japan are for Antique Chinese Containers. They are expensive because of their beauty, manufacturing (many hand made) and patina. Most were imported into Japan over 200 years ago and many 400 years ago.

I've been there, I've seen them firs hand.

Bill

Thanks for the clarification Bill, but I could never afford an antique Chinese pot if any were for sale and the chances that they would be the color and size I wanted would be remote., my concern is the current pots being made in China and their quality compared to the high end Tokonama pots.

Keep it green,
Harry
 
Harry,

Weather you, or anyone, can afford Antique Chinese pots makes no difference at all.

The Japanese USE them and they are of the highest prices.

There are excellent modern Chinese pots available today and i use them often. However, the finest modern Chinese container will be lower in price than a good quality Tokoname ware Japanese container in Japan.

Bill
 
Well here's an example of a mid-late 1800's Chinese pot. Daniel has 5 I believe... he happened on a dealer who had them, and bought them all. They are marvelous, and some of our favorite pot's in the garden.

Daniel is especially fond of the big lipped edge... these are large pots, holding very large trees. "Handles" are a plus... ;)

Now Harry... you gotta be able to appreciate this... :)
 

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Well here's an example of a mid-late 1800's Chinese pot. Daniel has 5 I believe... he happened on a dealer who had them, and bought them all. They are marvelous, and some of our favorite pot's in the garden.

Daniel is especially fond of the big lipped edge... these are large pots, holding very large trees. "Handles" are a plus... ;)

Now Harry... you gotta be able to appreciate this... :)


Nice pot, but my bonsai hobby is restricted strictly to trees, I don't collect anything antique connected to bonsai. I have too many other hobbies that require me to spread my disposable income around. If you like Antique pots I hope you are able to acquire more. All of my trees are conifers and I couldn't use that pot if I owned it. Now beanie babies on the other hand..........:D

keep it green,
Harry
 
Want to share where you get them, I have never found a source for good Chinese pots.

keep it green,
Harry

Jim Gremel sells some great quality Chinese pots. I bought a few of the larger ones this year, they look absolutely gorgeous, and the price was incredible.
I learned a few things about Jim, and one is that he never sells crap.
 
Not bad - 14 pages of comments on the Ichiban. Pretty good publicity :)

As for whether something is "overpriced" or not, it all comes down to supply and demand. The fact that it sold out clearly shows it wasn't overpriced. Now, whether buyers can get benefits from the tool that match up with the price, that's a different story.

I'm not sure why people have such a visceral reaction against Marco generally and his tool (Harry - I'm talking about the Ichiban). There are plenty of tools out there that are in the same ballpark in terms of cost. If you don't think it will be worth $350 in your hands, don't buy it. At this price point, I don't see many beginners lining up to put this tool in their toolbox - as Harry said, most beginners won't spend $50 on a tree, so I don't think we need to be concerned about protecting beginners from rushing out to buy it.

Plus, what's wrong with Marco trying to make some money like a good capitalist? I mean, that is the American Way, or at least it was until Obama was elected (that was for you JasonG!).
 
What is really amusing is that I have been listening to people for the last few years talk about how hard it is to make a living in bonsai, how they wish the bonsai market would grow, how they wish that people would step up to the plate and buy quality tools, pots, this or that, and so on.

Now, over the last week Robert Steven has put out a collector bonsai pot and Marco has put out a new tool and now we hear complaints, whining, sniffling, and other such negative remarks mainly from people who have not even held the items in their hands.

These two artists are pioneers people, they are taking bonsai related sales to a new level, they are stimulating the bonsai economic community, they are putting their own money, time and effort into building the bonsai business, and yes, they are making money by doing so. So what?

They had the brains, the guts, and the courage to put their own asses and finances on the line, they deserve a profit and both will get an order from me, I support the community and I applaude their efforts, good for them!


I hope more people will take the risk and help build the community and less will try to drag down those who do....




Will
 
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The Stevenson pot is both beautiful, accessible, and historically significant. I'd love to see others. Not sure how a huge profit margin on the equivilent to a swiss army knife adds to the betterment of the community. And if Masakuni is charging him $300 (random outragous price chosen) to make/market them... then he should have tried a different maker.

But the fact that he has made something new... that is certainly applaudable.

What I find amusing is that there is an inference that tightfisted noobs are making comments about it being overpriced... when in fact, the most vocal people who've had something to say about it being overpriced are long time contributors to the bonsai community both at home and the web.

In reference to contributing to the community, and making money... If you want to talk about absurd try writing a book... bonsai book publishers cull the lions share of the money with no risk, and minimal effort. That's a tragedy... irritates me everytime I think about it. But then again, I imagine it's the publishing business at large... I digress... my apologies.

Kindest regards,

Victrinia
 
... bonsai book publishers cull the lions share of the money with no risk, and minimal effort. That's a tragedy... irritates me everytime I think about it.

I am surprised that you say that. The publishing business has always been a very risky one, one hardly knows how a certain book is recevied by the public..
 
Well I'm not saying that I endorse these, I don't own a pair, neither do most of you, but I can tell who has an affinity to working with good tools, and who is mostly just tools.

I worked as a mechanic for a while and most good ones buy the best quality tools they can afford, and the quality tools hold up and do a better job than the cheap crap a bunch of you advocate. Just for ha ha's how many of you detractors actually read the report, how many just started bashing, thats right hold up your hands.

Eric I would expect better from you than using someone ELSES name, ask Daniel to come and bash these here, don't expect I will see it. By the way bonsaiist used to use dirt in the pots how many trees in that million dollar collection have DIRT in the pots, no why not, did you find something better?

Try it you might like it, anybody know how long Masakuni has been selling way overpriced tools?

Can't believe you have nothing better to do than rant over something you wouldn't have a chance to use, much less buy. Back to your local bonsai channel.
 
Lets try the specs again and you may be in for a suprise !

F I N D T H E 1 4 D I F F E R E N C E S !

ICHIBAN is the new revolutionary bonsai multi-use tool created,

designed and tested by Marco Invernizzi and produced by hand by Masakuni in Japan.

Why will ICHIBAN soon be the most widely diffused Bonsai tool in the world?

1) Its innovative ergonomic design helps the bonsaist to assume a healthier and more comfortable back, shoulder and elbow

position enabling him to work longer and with less fatigue.

2) Its effective weight is slightly lower than that of a standard tool on the market but, in one’s hands, its design makes it seem

50% lighter than any other bonsai tool.

3) 7 tools are united in the ICHIBAN design. This will enable you to work faster and remain concentrated on your bonsais and at

the same time have a much lighter toolbox. ICHIBAN is: shears for shoots, shears for small branches, shears for large branches and

roots, wire cutter, chisel, hammer and pliers.

4) The two ICHIBAN blades are united by a special rivet of new design, 4 times stronger than a conventional one, enabling you to

use its blades to create jin, shari, to bend branches and cut aluminium wire and branches even 4 mm thick (see instructions).

5) The two ICHIBAN blades are also 20% longer than a normal tool, enabling you to have access only with its point where before

you did not manage to arrive, thus helping you to keep your hands far from the most delicate parts of your bonsai. Even with more

intensive use, the blades length will make it practically useless to sharpen them for many years.

6) ICHIBAN is forged by hand one by one with the best, most sought-after materials available by these artisan blacksmiths who

have made Masakuni world leader in the production of bonsai tools for the last three generations of bonsaists. If maintained in

suitable conditions ICHIBAN is guaranteed rustproof. When he purchases ICHIBAN each client will receive free of charge a blade

cleaner specifically created for ICHIBAN which will be very useful to remove resin residues from his blades.

7) The design of the ICHIBAN grip, together with its special rubber coating, will enable bonsaists with large hands, women, nervous

people and anyone who cares about the health of his hands to use a bonsai tool without annoying pains in his fingers and without

creating hard skin. ICHIBAN is a tool that may be used with the right or left hand and its grip enables you to use it in the opposite

direction, with the blades pointing upwards, thus arriving where no other shears have ever arrived before.

8) The bonsai tools of different makes, besides being mostly produced by the same factory, are identical, making it easy to lose or

exchange them unintentionally with those of someone else. ICHIBAN has instead a specially created space on which to engrave,

write or mark its unmistakeable sign. Therefore, from now on, if someone steals your ICHIBAN it will be because he can’t do without

it!

9) When a normal shears fall, it happens more frequently that the point break, making them unusable. The same points of the

ICHIBAN blades have been designed to make them unbreakable and, if ICHIBAN falls, there is an 80% possibility that, due to its

weight, the chisel point touches the ground before the thin point. This point sharpened on one side has been designed to rapidly

enable the bonsaist to use the shears also as knife or chisel to cut the bark or scratch undesired residues.

10) ICHIBAN will not tear the pockets of your trousers or the toolbox. Its innovative design will enable you to put it in your pockets

even more easily and rapidly than a cowboy’s pistol..

11) To insert the wire and hold the tool in your hand at the same time isn’t a problem, with ICHIBAN. You need only raise your forearm

and open your hand and in a second ICHIBAN will turn 180°, leaving thumb, forefinger and middle finger free to apply the

wire. Its position, limited weight and diagonal non-pointed blade will enable you to take, bend and apply the aluminium or copper

wire in full freedom.

12) Its wonderful silk-lined wooden box is hand-made by the same craftsman who created the boxes of the artistic objects of the

private collection of the Japanese emperor. ICHIBAN is the ideal gift for anyone who wants to improve the quality and pleasure of

his work with the bonsai.

13) Purchasing ICHIBAN you can enter the ICHIBAN CLUB, a site created to communicate all the ICHIBAN owners all over the

world and receive useful news, updates and advice from Marco Invernizzi in person.

14) ICHIBAN isn’t a bonsai tool only for experts. In many years of career Marco Invernizzi has given over one thousand seminars

in 5 continents working with bonsaists with the widest range of ability, style, techniques and characteristics. Thinking about all of

them, we offer you the greatest, most useful revolution of the world of bonsai in the last 100 years: ICHIBAN. ALL IN ONE, ONE

FOR ALL

At its world launch at the WWBF Congress 2009 in Puerto Rico, each ICHIBAN will be numbered and signed by Masakuni and

Marco Invernizzi. A rare collection piece.

keep it green,
Harry
 
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