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and you really cant have it both ways man. this country is the rich uncle who has to pay for everybody else in the family because "i aint got it man, can you float me till next week" . we are expected to intervene, and then criticised when we do and criticized when we dont.[/QUOTE]

Funny I just told him the same thing
 
despite what you just said - you really dont seem to care for america much other than maybe in the context of how we might impact your own economy. but you and the hanuka guy (whatever name is ) rarely miss an opportunity to bash our people, our policies, (or vance).

you need to make distinctions between which iraq war you mean and what really happened - we went in for oil is a bullshit answer.

i dont think we should have ever went into afghanistan (many americans dont) and all evidence points to us being mistaken in our evidence for the second war - but our leaders make mistakes to. what they are not doing is gassing their own people, invading foreign countries to take their resources (i never got any free oil) raping pillaging etc so even we were wrong for going into iraq - the wrong decision came about for the right reasons.

and you really cant have it both ways man. this country is the rich uncle who has to pay for everybody else in the family because "i aint got it man, can you float me till next week" . we are expected to intervene, and then criticised when we do and criticized when we dont.

but lets see how it plays out in these scenarios

-the us invades because of bad intelligence

I believe we went into Afghanistan to wipe out Al Quida & Taliban who were supporting the AQ, Bin Laden who were all responsible for 9-11...& the death of some 3000 Tower workers...

We stayed to assist the Afghan peoples in eliminating the Taliban from the Monstrous living conditions and treatment of those Barbarians, we are still there to see that No Terrorist Jihadist groups re-establish themselves...
As well as being Forward Strategic areas of proximity to Syria (Isis), Iran & Iraq....
 
Secular People are Best. Dont worry if you Hate the US I have many Friends and speak Their languages of Love ... blah blah ...jibber jabber

Como se dice... Friend are best, who needs Guns? Parable I too have friends who American I wish well.

Heres a song to spread Peace and Happines to the Philadelphias....

 
I believe we went into Afghanistan to wipe out Al Quida & Taliban who were supporting the AQ, Bin Laden who were all responsible for 9-11...& the death of some 3000 Tower workers...

We stayed to assist the Afghan peoples in eliminating the Taliban from the Monstrous living conditions and treatment of those Barbarians, we are still there to see that No Terrorist Jihadist groups re-establish themselves...
As well as being Forward Strategic areas of proximity to Syria (Isis), Iran & Iraq....


or in other words - OIL!!!!!!! (face palm)

but you are exactly right. the point is we cant win. we're wrong if we go, were wrong if we dont.

although i said at the beginning it would turn into a very costly clusterfuck (it did) Reminds me of my friends across the atlanty who once said:

 
Thanks Alexandra,... ...is Greece still experiencing Economic Meltdown ???
I sure hope they can get their financial Act together...
Greece is way too small for great America/IMF to care about while they are marching...., thank you.
Greece being such a Universally accepted Country of Origins of Civilization, Socrates, Plato, Homer...
I've heard rumors that the Greeks discovered Love and Sex prior to discovering Women...???
Ooohhh, You disappoint me, dear.

I would never expect you to judge by your own standards. I mean when did you discover women, dear?

Given that you are aware of ancient Greek philosophers, why don't you read something out of their works instead? And get your answers first hand?

Your posts are always proverbial, dear! :)

Keep them coming for the sake of hilarity, because everything else is way too serious :)
 
The second Iraq war may not have been STARTED for oil, but it certainly became a huge part of the conflict when it was under way and was definitely a consideration before it started.

A quote from the Chilcot Inquiry - Blair had told the US president, George W Bush, at a meeting mid-invasion on 31 March 2003, that a clearer picture was needed of the shape of a post-Saddam Iraq to “sketch out a political and economic future and dispel the myth that we were out to grab Iraq’s oil”. Yet a civil service briefing note in the same year for Geoff Hoon – then the UK defence secretary – before talks with his US counterpart, Donald Rumsfeld, discusses the need for “Level playing field: big contracts to rebuild Iraq. Putting UK lives on line. Expect level playing field for UK business in oil and other areas.”

UK government officials called in a team from BP for a briefing about the prospects for the Iraq energy sector on 23 January 2003, two months before the invasion, which ended in May.

I know many people who are appalled at the UK's role in the invasion, Blair has been labelled as a war monger by some.

I'd also like to acknowledge the comments above about what the aims of the war were and why troops stayed afterwards. I agree to some extent and would like to point out that this shows this ISIS issue isn't something that has happened primarily because of Obama, the dominos were already set in motion regardless. Libya and Syria have been the biggest breeding grounds for ISIS I think, so it could be argued that intervention in the region, or lack of intervention in Libya/Syria are big factors. Syria has more or less become a US/RUS proxy war with each backing the other side, so many rebel groups have formed to varying degrees of extremism. It's just so sad that millions of people have been displaced, hundreds of thousands killed, and generations of children face uncertain futures having missed out on education and a safe upbringing.
 
The second Iraq war may not have been STARTED for oil, but it certainly became a huge part of the conflict when it was under way and was definitely a consideration before it started.

A quote from the Chilcot Inquiry - Blair had told the US president, George W Bush, at a meeting mid-invasion on 31 March 2003, that a clearer picture was needed of the shape of a post-Saddam Iraq to “sketch out a political and economic future and dispel the myth that we were out to grab Iraq’s oil”. Yet a civil service briefing note in the same year for Geoff Hoon – then the UK defence secretary – before talks with his US counterpart, Donald Rumsfeld, discusses the need for “Level playing field: big contracts to rebuild Iraq. Putting UK lives on line. Expect level playing field for UK business in oil and other areas.”

UK government officials called in a team from BP for a briefing about the prospects for the Iraq energy sector on 23 January 2003, two months before the invasion, which ended in May.

I know many people who are appalled at the UK's role in the invasion, Blair has been labelled as a war monger by some.

I'd also like to acknowledge the comments above about what the aims of the war were and why troops stayed afterwards. I agree to some extent and would like to point out that this shows this ISIS issue isn't something that has happened primarily because of Obama, the dominos were already set in motion regardless. Libya and Syria have been the biggest breeding grounds for ISIS I think, so it could be argued that intervention in the region, or lack of intervention in Libya/Syria are big factors. Syria has more or less become a US/RUS proxy war with each backing the other side, so many rebel groups have formed to varying degrees of extremism. It's just so sad that millions of people have been displaced, hundreds of thousands killed, and generations of children face uncertain futures having missed out on education and a safe upbringing.

 
That is exactly the kind of thing that your economy needs... I like it. :)

See Bolero, I'm not just a "one side of the isle" kind of a guy. I want Americans to flourish and succeed, but it won't happen following the template of the last 20 years.

Oh I could agree with that but if we did just that you think there's countries that hate us now there would be a much longer list. Funny thing is that's part of what's going on with Mexico now. The last several presidents have talked about what a problem we have but none have really done much about it. Soon as we get a president that wants to "look after things at home" then the guy is automatically hated for it and called a racist. Problem is cant have it both ways. People can't get mad if the US starts looking out for itself but yet they do. Damned if you do damned if you don't. If you think the US should stay out of others problems and put ours first and work on our problems then I would think you would love trump since that's what he wants to do.

I applaud any leader who is going to encourage positive change for his people at home... I wasn't being insincere when I made this post (top one). You have a leader that could actually make some positive changes because he has the House and the Senate majority... if he REALLY wants to make change, he'll do it... if he wants to blow hot air, he'll continue to insist that he's going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it, or blame Obama for all of the things that he's facing...
 
"have we ever popped over and said -hey canada we want this - its ours now. tough shit. "

It was called the War of 1812.
 
"have we ever popped over and said -hey canada we want this - its ours now. tough shit. "

It was called the War of 1812.

why you bringing up old shit. you aint britain (before editing that sounded much funnier and gangsta in my head than in text)

im talking about them boomers man - them boomers trying to get that canadian oil
 
despite what you just said - you really dont seem to care for america much other than maybe in the context of how we might impact your own economy. but you and the hanuka guy (whatever name is ) rarely miss an opportunity to bash our people, our policies, (or vance).

you need to make distinctions between which iraq war you mean and what really happened - we went in for oil is a bullshit answer.

i dont think we should have ever went into afghanistan (many americans dont) and all evidence points to us being mistaken in our evidence for the second war - but our leaders make mistakes to. what they are not doing is gassing their own people, invading foreign countries to take their resources (i never got any free oil) raping pillaging etc so even we were wrong for going into iraq - the wrong decision came about for the right reasons.

and you really cant have it both ways man. this country is the rich uncle who has to pay for everybody else in the family because "i aint got it man, can you float me till next week" . we are expected to intervene, and then criticised when we do and criticized when we dont.

but lets see how it plays out in these scenarios

-the us invades because of bad intelligence
-it was bad intelligence - oops
-it was under the guise of bad intelligence to get that oil - ok - except we didnt? and there is a global impact associated with oil crises so - i dont think anyone else would complain for stabilizing supply

-the us invades for oil
-ok - explain what oil we really got out of that compared to the expense

-the us invades only to serve it own interest
- please tell me what govt in this world doesnt - the difference is the motivation and justification used - was it an aggressive move or a defensive one

now im not saying my country is without fault - humans abuse power and position throughout, we are not immune to that. but were not ww2 germany or present day russia, just arbitrarily deciding we want some shit and going out to take it. its getting pretty old to hear how weve messed up everything. everything? every .... thing....

our private citizenry has over 300million guns, (regardless of what the military has). have we ever popped over and said -hey canada we want this - its ours now. tough shit. because you kinda make it sound like thats what we do and its offensive.

your obviously not an idiot - i can tell youre a reasonably smart guy. do you really not see how constantly making snide remarks about our country might piss somebody off? if you dont care thats fine. but at least be truthful about it and not turn around and pretend you didnt say anything. its almost like you (and whatever the other guys name is) just want free reign to insult someone(vance), some group (boomers) or some country (mine) and then if anything gets said back your offended that anyone had the audacity challenge it?

im just wondering if thats really how you feel or a misstating of how you feel and you dont realize it - because you dont seem to be the type to just post some random hate, hidden in some incoherent jargon and top it off with a completely unrelated music video.

For the most part I agree with what you said, it's just too bad that more Americans don't use the same critical thinking skills that you've displayed when you wrote your post. I "hate" no individual American, but I do think an American who doesn't question what their government does and if it's justified, is only a puppet to a system thats doomed to fail... remember in a democracy, YOU ARE supposed to be the government... not a puppet to it.
 
For the most part I agree with what you said, it's just too bad that more Americans don't use the same critical thinking skills that you've displayed when you wrote your post. I "hate" no individual American, but I do think an American who doesn't question what their government does and if it's justified, is only a puppet to a system thats doomed to fail... remember in a democracy, YOU ARE supposed to be the government... not a puppet to it.

that sounds all well and good - but the fact is - i am one vote and your preaching to the choir brother.

we gotta lot of people that dont vote, vote for the wrong reasons, and vote for the right reasons based off incorrect information. combine that with the money it takes to get in office, and the money that flows through afterwards, i just dont know how to fix all that man.
 
why you bringing up old shit. you aint britain (before editing that sounded much funnier and gangsta in my head than in text)

im talking about them boomers man - them boomers trying to get that canadian oil

Why would you want to "take" when we're willing to share?
 
that sounds all well and good - but the fact is - i am one vote and your preaching to the choir brother.

we gotta lot of people that dont vote, vote for the wrong reasons, and vote for the right reasons based off incorrect information. combine that with the money it takes to get in office, and the money that flows through afterwards, i just dont know how to fix all that man.

I hear ya...
 
"have we ever popped over and said -hey canada we want this - its ours now. tough shit. "

It was called the War of 1812.

why you bringing up old shit. you aint britain (before editing that sounded much funnier and gangsta in my head than in text)

im talking about them boomers man - them boomers trying to get that canadian oil

That was a right ol' knees up wasn't it, you got a national anthem out of it and everything!
 
"That was a right ol' knees up wasn't it, you got a national anthem out of it and everything!

LMAO
 
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