Western Display Concepts

[tiswas]

Now which type of display is best ?

http://walter-pall-travelogues.blogspot.com/2010/06/eba-convention-2010-in-zurich-ch-1.html

the traditional or the tree on its own against a white wall ?

 

[rockm]

Moon scrolls, colored walls, scrolls with azaleas, Oh my...

http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/b...on-2010-in-zurich-switzerland-t3298.htm#32896

Al better not look at this. His head may explode...

 

[garywood]

Now which type of display is best ?

http://walter-pall-travelogues.blogspot.com/2010/06/eba-convention-2010-in-zurich-ch-1.html

the traditional or the tree on its own against a white wall ?

Why must we choose?? Can't we enjoy each for its aesthetic,in its own context and venue. These big dick contest are so sophomorish.
Wood

 

[rockm]

Heh, heh, he said "dick" beavis...

So this isn't totally a wasted post...What are the positives with this "Western Bonsai display?"

http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/bonsai-f1/3d-display-t3293.htm#32906

 

[tiswas]

Why must we choose?? Can't we enjoy each for its aesthetic,in its own context and venue. These big dick contest are so sophomorish.
Wood

i take it you dont like bonsai shows ??

btw what does sophomorish mean ?

 

[Victrinia Ensor]

lol... Gary likes bonsai shows just fine. I think he's on the side of questioning the need to argue if one is better than the other... traditional vs avant garde.

Definition: conceited and overconfident of knowledge but poorly informed and immature <a sophomoric argument>

 

[Smoke]

Moon scrolls, colored walls, scrolls with azaleas, Oh my...

http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/b...on-2010-in-zurich-switzerland-t3298.htm#32896

Al better not look at this. His head may explode...

Since I was mentioned I might respond.

I found many of the displays to my liking. In fact nearly all of them except those with scrolls and Kanji. I might have liked them....I don't know!

As far as the moon scroll in first quarter.....that scroll does not belong with a bonsai exhibit. It is too garish.

Now the scroll with the two birds and the azalea and no accent........SWEET!!!!!! That is how to do it.

The other azalea , exibited with tree and PLAIN accent............SWEET!!!!!! Again, how to do it.

Another that captured my heart was the tree with the dancer. I'm not one for kitch but that was pretty nice....

Al

 

[tiswas]

lol... Gary likes bonsai shows just fine. I think he's on the side of questioning the need to argue if one is better than the other... traditional vs avant garde.

Definition: conceited and overconfident of knowledge but poorly informed and immature <a sophomoric argument>

if there is no argument as to which one is better in "your" opinion ,then there is no point in having a discussion board !


i thought it was childish , but i cant see where your definition and garys thought that "big dick" contests come in to it ? does it men that ALL bonsai "conceited and overconfident of knowledge but poorly informed and immature" or just the big international ones like that one?

 

[rockm]

"Al better not look at this. His head may explode..."

A joke, that's all it was a joke...Tough room...

 

[greerhw]

I went last weekend to the Lone Star Bonsai Show in Ft. Worth Texas, it's about a three hour drive, short out here. A friend went with me so it was a quick trip swapping lies. We stayed about three hours enjoyed visiting with old friends, viewing the display trees, nothing fancy. We walked around the vender area a few hundred times deciding if there was anything we couldn't live without, John Kirby was there with three JBP for sale, none of which my pockets were deep enough to bring home. I met a really nice man from California that was wiring one of John's JBP's named Peter Tea(sp?). Now as much fun as that was, I don't think I would swap it for an evening into the late hours, sitting out under one of my shade trees, enjoying a cool breeze, shooting the shit about bonsai, drinking our favorite poison while the mosquitoes chew us up, surrounded by my trees. Kind of like fishermen, the more you drink, the taller the stories get about the one that got away. Come visit after you put up your stands, scrolls and accent plants and I'll even grill up some Oklahoma beef.

keep it green,
Harry

 

[Victrinia Ensor]

if there is no argument as to which one is better in "your" opinion ,then there is no point in having a discussion board !


i thought it was childish , but i cant see where your definition and garys thought that "big dick" contests come in to it ? does it men that ALL bonsai "conceited and overconfident of knowledge but poorly informed and immature" or just the big international ones like that one?

FYI... the definition was from Webster... or miriam... can't remember which. You asked, so I posted it.

I think you are somewhat missing Gary's point... not that I need to speak for him, but I was trying to clarify what I saw as his intent... which is to say be it traditional, or western/modern/avant garde (whatever you want to call it) that each can be appreciated and enjoyed in the context of the moment and the overall presentation at the venue that is hosting it. The "big dick" reference is more about the notion that someone has to be right and someone has to be wrong, or in the end that one is better than the other. That is the part which can be seen as childish and immature. There's nothing wrong with a spirited discussion around how different concepts are applied, and what speaks to you or not... but I think it misses the potential depth of a conversation to simply say - this is better than that.

Maybe your question would get more answers if it was re-framed?

Kindest regards,

Victrinia

 

[Victrinia Ensor]

I went last weekend to the Lone Star Bonsai Show in Ft. Worth Texas, it's about a three hour drive, short out here. A friend went with me so it was a quick trip swapping lies. We stayed about three hours enjoyed visiting with old friends, viewing the display trees, nothing fancy. We walked around the vender area a few hundred times deciding if there was anything we couldn't live without, John Kirby was there with three JBP for sale, none of which my pockets were deep enough to bring home. I met a really nice man from California that was wiring one of John's JBP's named Peter Tea(sp?). Now as much fun as that was, I don't think I would swap it for an evening into the late hours, sitting out under one of my shade trees, enjoying a cool breeze, shooting the shit about bonsai, drinking our favorite poison while the mosquitoes chew us up, surrounded by my trees. Kind of like fishermen, the more you drink, the taller the stories get about the one that got away. Come visit after you put up your stands, scrolls and accent plants and I'll even grill up some Oklahoma beef.

keep it green,
Harry

I have a nice Shohin designed by Peter.... he's a very nice guy. I met him at GSBF last fall. I don't disagree that talking trees at home with friends is awesome. But there is also something fun about having many people gather for the sake of one passion, I'll always enjoy both greatly.

V

 

[rockm]

"But there is also something fun about having many people gather for the sake of one passion, I'll always enjoy both greatly."

Definitely agree with this. The atmosphere at a show is exciting in that people share ideas and feed on each others' enthusiasm. It like having a bonsai Bar-B-Que with hundreds of folks talking about and showing their work. Sitting around shooting the breeze in one thing (even if it is enjoyable), shows are another.

 

[greerhw]

"But there is also something fun about having many people gather for the sake of one passion, I'll always enjoy both greatly."

Definitely agree with this. The atmosphere at a show is exciting in that people share ideas and feed on each others' enthusiasm. It like having a bonsai Bar-B-Que with hundreds of folks talking about and showing their work. Sitting around shooting the breeze in one thing (even if it is enjoyable), shows are another.

I don't have the luxury of going to shows except every three years. Our club show draws about 250 people who have no idea about bonsai. I would probably develope more of an interest in shows, if I could go to more, I'm envious of you folks that live in hot beds of bonsai activity, there are only two people in our club that I can talk to about bonsai and one of those doesn't like to talk. I guess we all have to do what we can to enjoy this hobby, think goodness for this board.

keep it green,
Harry

 

[Victrinia Ensor]

That's only because you spend all your money on trees....lol If I put all the money I spend on trees each year, along with all the money I spend on going to shows, into only trees... I'd have some trees trees as smokin' as some of yours.

V

 

[greerhw]

That's only because you spend all your money on trees....lol If I put all the money I spend on trees each year, along with all the money I spend on going to shows, into only trees... I'd have some trees trees as smokin' as some of yours.

V

I also raise show koi and have two high maintenance dogs, along with a high maintenance wife as in a closet full of Coach and Burberry purses to deal with or I would go to some shows on the west coast............

keep it green,
Harry

 

[garywood]

AAWWW Harry, I'll pick you up on the out this fall and you can see how the rest of us get by
Wood

 

[greerhw]

AAWWW Harry, I'll pick you up on the out this fall and you can see how the rest of us get by
Wood

Where ya headed ?

keep it green,
Harry

 

[Victrinia Ensor]

I also raise show koi and have two high maintenance dogs, along with a high maintenance wife as in a closet full of Coach and Burberry purses to deal with or I would go to some shows on the west coast............

keep it green,
Harry

Hey... leave the Coach out of it... they aren't a luxury... they are useful.

V

 

[garywood]

Harry, we'll start with the Pacific Northwest convention and then do Goldenstate with about 6weeks of doing nothing but working on trees, one stop to the next.
Wood