Help identifying these pines.

[Pinus]

Can anyone help me identify these 3? I know they they are either Japanese Red pine or Japanese black pine, but how to tell them apart?
Thanks

 

[Shibui]

All 3 appear to be black pines.
Black pine has thick, white candles (new shoots)
Red pine has thinner, dark candles and softer needles.

 

[Pinus]

All 3 appear to be black pines.
Black pine has thick, white candles (new shoots)
Red pine has thinner, dark candles and softer needles.

Thank you

 

[Pinus]

Sorry to keep on but could this one be a red pine?

 

[Shibui]

Looks very black pine to me. The candles are just a bit stronger on that one.
What makes you ask about that one in particular?

 

[Pinus]

Looks very black pine to me. The candles are just a bit stronger on that one.
What makes you ask about that one in particular?

thanks again! I thought the candles looked a bit darker on this one, so might be a red?! I have some more I think might be red. I'll post another photo.

 

[Pinus]

Any reds here? Thank you.

 

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[Pinus]

ok will do. I am in the UK.

are the two types easy to mistake for one another when they're young?

 

[hinmo24t]

how many needles per cluster? 2 or 3?

 

[penumbra]

All pines can be confused by someone with little knowledge of pine taxonomy.

 

[Pinus]

how many needles per cluster? 2 or 3?

all of them are 2 per cluster.

 

[hinmo24t]

not pitch pine/rigada then

scots or black/red pine


someone will know

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

Japanese Red Pine, Pinus densiflora has softer, finer, deeper green needles, and red buds. They start growing just a bit earlier than Japanese Black pines, and take slightly longer to harden off. The growth rate of red pines is slightly slower than black pines.
Here is a comparison of buds on JRP (left) and JBP (right).

A comparison of shoots, JRP left, JBP right:

Yours look like black pines.

 

[Pinus]

Double post.

 

[Pinus]

Japanese Red Pine, Pinus densiflora has softer, finer, deeper green needles, and red buds. They start growing just a bit earlier than Japanese Black pines, and take slightly longer to harden off. The growth rate of red pines is slightly slower than black pines.
Here is a comparison of buds on JRP (left) and JBP (right).
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A comparison of shoots, JRP left, JBP right:
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Yours look like black pines.

Very informative. Thank you.

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

Just leave them in my yard for a year. If they die they're JBP. If they live, they're JRP - or any other type of pine.

 

[Pinus]

Ok I'll send them over.

 

[Shibui]

are the two types easy to mistake for one another when they're young?

@Brian Van Fleet has given a good description of the differences. After the candles open I often find it difficult to distinguish between some black and some red pines. Much easier when the new buds are smaller.
Add to that the 2 species appear to cross pollinate so some seed sources give intermediate hybrids.

From what I can see all the pines in the pics look like black pine.
The soil mix looks like mainly garden soil? Not usually good for trees in pots and especially pines.
Have you purchased these? Collected? Grown from seed? Is there any reason why one or more should be red pine or are you just hoping against hope?

 

[Pinus]

@Brian Van Fleet has given a good description of the differences. After the candles open I often find it difficult to distinguish between some black and some red pines. Much easier when the new buds are smaller.
Add to that the 2 species appear to cross pollinate so some seed sources give intermediate hybrids.

From what I can see all the pines in the pics look like black pine.
The soil mix looks like mainly garden soil? Not usually good for trees in pots and especially pines.
Have you purchased these? Collected? Grown from seed? Is there any reason why one or more should be red pine or are you just hoping against hope?

Thanks.
I grew them from seed a few years ago and neglected to label them and now...
Soil is shop bought compost but badly needs a refresh.
I think I have managed to identify some reds now going by Brian's info.
Thanks everyone.