Help! Something is wrong with my bonsai!

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I have a 5 year old Natal Plum that I’ve had since May. It’s been doing okay for the most part since I figured out watering and such. But since I moved back to school it’s been dropping leaves like crazy and branches are dying. Is this natural towards winter time or is something wrong, help me please.
 

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Is it located near a heating radiator?
How warm is the room you're in?

You said you water it...how often and how much?
 

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Is it located near a heating radiator?
How warm is the room you're in?

You said you water it...how often and how much?
It is not, my school apartment has regular AC and heating. The temperature stays around 70 and I usually water it every other day depending on the soil
 

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It's definitely not happy and I'm sorry to say that I'm not sure why.

It could be that it's just freaking out due to the change in location. Some ficus are known to do that
 

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Thanks for trying, I’m going to try keeping the window open while I’m at class for the next few days to see if it might be craving fresh air
 

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How well does the soil/pot drain? The soil looks like it might be a bit compacted.my bet is that this is definitely a watering issue.
 

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Soil is compacted and soggy. Not enough light. The roots are dying which is why the foliage is drying up--overwatering symptoms are the same as underwatering as they both kill off the roots that supply moisture to the upper part of the tree. This is a high light species. Indoors it does relatively poorly. It has to be overwintered inside in areas that get cold, so it can get weakened during the winter. It should be outside all spring and summer (once the danger of frosts have passed).
 

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Soil is compacted and soggy. Not enough light. The roots are dying which is why the foliage is drying up--overwatering symptoms are the same as underwatering as they both kill off the roots that supply moisture to the upper part of the tree. This is a high light species. Indoors it does relatively poorly. It has to be overwintered inside in areas that get cold, so it can get weakened during the winter. It should be outside all spring and summer (once the danger of frosts have passed).
It sits in light all day. I don't close my blinds as I'm on the second floor so it gets light, but i do think the soil is causing problems. My moss died when I moved so im looking for more. However, I have no way to put it outside and it did just fine indoors when i was home. Should I look into repotting it with new soil?
 

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I have a 5 year old Natal Plum that I’ve had since May. It’s been doing okay for the most part since I figured out watering and such. But since I moved back to school it’s been dropping leaves like crazy and branches are dying. Is this natural towards winter time or is something wrong, help me please.

I don't think it's a soil/water problem. My first thought...given the move...was spider mites. Upon closer inspection, you do have a bug infestation...though possibly aphids? Hard to tell from the pictures.

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I think I can see some on the "healthy" leaves in some of your photos as well...but really hard to be certain.

As an FYI: a pane of glass can cut photon levels in half. I've measured this with a decent lux meter. Full sun with glass open: 100K lux...typical for full sun in my area. Cloe the glass and 60K lux with the meter in the exact same spot. Some glass cuts more...some less.

Also, outside, shade is significantly brighter than inside. Outside, light reflects everywhere. Inside, it only reflect through the portal of the window. So you are getting significantly less light than you might think. I grow trees in windows all the time...if you think about what you're doing...it can be done...but NOT for all species :( Not without supplemental lighting anyway.
 

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It sits in light all day.
Indoor light, as bright as it may be, will never compare to outdoor light. A grow light will be your friend until you manage to get it outside during the warm season. You can get a cheap grow light off Amazon really cheap.
If it were mine, I’d repot it because that soil doesn’t look healthy, and I’d set it under a decent grow light.
I’ve never worked with this particular species of ficus, but I’m sure it’ll do fine. This is either from sitting in soggy soil or from drying out too often. Either way, my opinion is that this is 100% water related.
 

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I don't think it's a soil/water problem. My first thought...given the move...was spider mites. Upon closer inspection, you do have a bug infestation...though possibly aphids? Hard to tell from the pictures.

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I think I can see some on the "healthy" leaves in some of your photos as well...but really hard to be certain.

As an FYI: a pane of glass can cut photon levels in half. I've measured this with a decent lux meter. Full sun with glass open: 100K lux...typical for full sun in my area. Cloe the glass and 60K lux with the meter in the exact same spot. Some glass cuts more...some less.

Also, outside, shade is significantly brighter than inside. Outside, light reflects everywhere. Inside, it only reflect through the portal of the window. So you are getting significantly less light than you might think. I grow trees in windows all the time...if you think about what you're doing...it can be done...but NOT for all species :( Not without supplemental lighting anyway.
I totally didn’t notice them! I treated it right before I left but it’s been about a month and a half so I’ll see if I can find a time block to take it outside to treat it and let it dry under my watch.
 

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I totally didn’t notice them! I treated it right before I left but it’s been about a month and a half so I’ll see if I can find a time block to take it outside to treat it and let it dry under my watch.
Also, should I invest in a light?
 

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If you do have a bug problem like @LittleDingus mentioned, a 1:40 water/dish soap misting will help. I use it regularly and have no issues.
 
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My moss died when I moved so im looking for more.

What are you considering "moss died"? Did it brown up? Did it get slimy and rotten? Moss doesn't typically die overnight. It could be a bad sign as well.

Most mosses live understory so moving inside to a window could have actually helped it. I grow my moss on my grow shelf above the window where it gets no direct sunlight. It grows great there! BUT they do need humidity which is tough indoors. I grow mine under a humidity dome.

If it browned up...especially after the move...I'd guess it's not humid enough and it went dormant. In that state, it can shed water around the soil leading to poor watering of the soil :(

If it got slimy and rotten, it's getting too much water and I'll join the "poor soil" camp.
 

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I have a supersoap spray luckily so I’ll definitely treat it ASAP

I can't tell from the pictures...but try and get a positive ID on the critters. Some critters can live in the soil even if they prefer living on/under the foliage. Treating just the foliage if it's that type isn't good enough.

Also, I at least see a cacti and another pot close by in your pictures. You need to treat them too. Depending on the critter, the cacti may be too thick skinned to be lunch...but the needles could harbor nests.
 

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It browned up, in that case should I also look into a humidity tray along with a light?
 

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It sits in light all day. I don't close my blinds as I'm on the second floor so it gets light, but i do think the soil is causing problems. My moss died when I moved so im looking for more. However, I have no way to put it outside and it did just fine indoors when i was home. Should I look into repotting it with new soil?
INdoor light is 70 percent less than outdoors even on a windowsill. Do no put more moss on the soil. It complicates watering. Repotting should be done in early summer for this species. FWIW, a relative of mine had a big Natal Plum bonsai for 30 years. She kept it in direct sun in Texas from late Feb. to late Oct. It overwintered indoors and was never happy during that period. Once back outside, it flowered and produced fruit every year. It did "fine" for four months, which isn't that long. It's showing the accumulated stress from that period. I'd invest in at least a grow light, preferably a larger set up if you're planning on keeping this inside. FWIW, ficus bonsai are far tougher and less finicky indoors than this species.
 

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I totally didn’t notice them! I treated it right before I left but it’s been about a month and a half so I’ll see if I can find a time block to take it outside to treat it and let it dry under my watch.
Do you know what they were when you treated it before? Did you treat all the neighboring plants at that time as well?

It could be a re-infestation from a nearby neighbor if everything wasn't treated with a strict regimen :(
 
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