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... 7.) What made all these people so mad? ... ...

Speaking of Greece and how things are going here, this is what migrants go through :
  • They disembark after a risky trip by sea into some inflatable boat, they go on foot a long distance in order to reach some bus station and be transported to some center for being recorded.
  • There they wait for a long time and live under very cruel conditions either in “welcome centers” or in parks and open spaces or at the beach (due to lack of personnel and economic means because Greece at the moment is facing bankrupt) until they are permitted to embark some ship to port of Piraeus.
  • Then they are directed to northern Greece distributed to the so called “hot spots” from where they hope to manage and leave through FYROM to Germany.
 
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... …one would tend to think anyone coming to a country seeking asylum, and freedom from the Horrors of what they were escaping, would be just the opposite, Right?
That they would be thankful for the help they were recieving... not act like a bunch of savages.

As I said above among them there are provocateurs who indeed are after scheming for trouble. Their purpose is another issue which I do not want to enter here. Just consider the fact that in Greece one out of three Greeks are living in poverty and social blockade conditions, based on Eurostat data of 2015. Now 2017, the situation is much much more harder!!

I really hope you have a more clear view now.
 
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I only asked seeing that after watching the video, I did some research and found quite a bit of info from a whole slew of sites reporting this particular event...

And felt it kinda gave a little bit of insight into what was actually happening... that the film makers seemed to of forgot to include on the Video.

Let me start by saying that I worked for years in the Film and Television Industry. That I have actually worked on many Documentaries. The goal when doing a Documentary is really to be as the News is... to just report the events, to be subjective... and to not impede one's personal views into the story.

However, this rarely actually happens seeing that usually the Filmmakers have a particular point with the story they are trying to tell, and choose the angle in which they are trying to tell the story, with the initial concept of going to cover the story.

So, a Filmmaker says, let's go cover this story... and in the case of this video... Let's show it from the side of how Refugees are coming into Europe. The problem here, is that right off the bat, there is going to be some inherent bias, like it or not. The choice of how much? Is going to be up to the Filmmakers...

I say this not because of liberal or right wing thinking... but it's merely the reality of the story. If one picks to cover the angle of "How Refugees are Coming into Europe"... then the questions one would inherently have to ask to tell the story, are going to be...

1.) How does this effect Europe?
2.) Effect the Economy?
3.) The people who live there?
4.) Their Feelings Towards these People Coming in?

You are in fact, actually choosing a side, and which side to cover... and with almost certainty, the people living there, in this case Europe... are not going to view the whole event in a positive manner, due to all the uncertainty with the Questions you have asked above... and the replies of, well it is going to change things... I don't know how it is going to effect us, etc. And the understanding, that by and large... and this is important... People do not like Change.

It is very important to note this!
That even with the best intention on the behalf of the Filmmakers... there is going to be this inherent bias... Due to how they chose to "Frame" the story. Like it or Not... it is going to be there.

Now had the Filmmakers chose to cover the "Plight of the Refugees, and it's Impact on Europe"... then obvously you would end up with an entirely different approach to the same story, one could see that here you would inherently have to ask questions from both sides, get both sides views and attitudes towards what was happening, and thus tell the complete story as One should be Doing... When One Makes a Documentary. Leaving out one's personal opinion, in how they chose to cover the event, and instead leaving the viewer the ability to draw their own conclusion.

Seeing this was not done... Then in All Fairness... One really needs to take this into Consideration and ask why the Filmmakers chose to cover only one side of the story? Right? And to be fair... One really has to conclude that this was their agenda then, unless they were just bumbling idiots, seeing that we all know that with every event that happens there is all ways 2 sides to a story. This is why even when the Police show up at a problem... they ask both sides what happened to get a better picture of what took place.

So, as a concious human being... seeing both sides are not being shown... One should automatically ask why? And understand then when viewing the video that it was the Filmmakers Agenda to "Not" do so. This choice of not telling a complete story... then makes this Propaganda. With the whole intentions then to deliberately tell this story from one side. And in this case... to do so, in a way that particularly makes the other side look bad.

This assessment of the video is further backed up by the choice of what the filmmakers chose to use in the video... not only with the choice of images, the choice of dialog, the choice of commentary of those involved in the events, but also... and most importatly... what the Filmmakers chose to leave out.

They have told us that events have happened... but funny enough, never managed to tell us why they happened. They have shown us multiple scenes in many different locations, but never managed to tell us which one was where. They have showed us a mass conglomeration of what appears to be a similar event of people walking, from many different angles, and because no one is recognizable, we do not know if they are showing the Same People from these different angles, so 500 people look like 500 million people... and they do not tell us the precise numbers, other than commentary of "Not Biblical Porportions, but a Mass Exodus indeed ", and "Germany expects to receive 1.7million "... so as to give the appearance and the viewer the interpretation that this is quite literally the 1.7 million people that they talk about.

I mean, really this whole video is plagued with idiocrcy the whole way through...We are shown violence occurring, without the events of images or narrative of what lead up to these events or caused the events, Again, many different angles of what could be one event, so the viewer does not know know if it is... or if it is millions if events? If it is in one Town, or if this is happening in every town across Europe?

As I said... this looks like an Apocalyptic Event of All Hell Breaking Loose! One that should have Everyone Scared! For if it is happening in Greece, Hungary, even Germany, of which by the way, the story funny enough doesn't show any events in Germany, but Mentions it... It could Happen Everywhere! People should be Frightened, they should Shit their Pants! As the video says... "These People Want to Kill Each Other"!!! And only want "Money, Money, Money"!!!

With Trying to Scare the Hell out of People... The Filmmakers have done an Incredible Job! It works... and my Hat Goes Off to Them! They did what it was they set out to do!

Now, if only the other 40 plus sites I came across researching the Event after watching, had backed up what I saw in the Video... Then... Perhaps, I too Would Be Scared! However, I am not really surprised when I found a more compassionate side of people being Ripped Off by Scum trying to make loads of money off of those willing to pay what ever the cost out of pure desperation for their love one's safety... How the various Governments who didn't want to deal with them were making it more difficult, and creating a much bigger problem out of what already was a humanitarian crisis... trying to put them in future camps, blocking access by rail to even those with money, in fact actually pulling all the trains out, do as to leave them I stranded, no humanitarian aid to help those in need, no medical aid for the sick or injured, no system setup to properly deal with them, no speakers of their languages, people not knowing where water or food was, where the bathroom was... That again, they were willing to pay for... even though in a couple if cases acording to reporters... they were standing right in front of free water brought by caring citizens and surprise. .. harassment by Police, security and every day citizens, etc.

I mean, I really gotta say... that after reading and hearing the other side of the story... The Countries involved in the video really dropped the Ball on something they knew was coming and should of been much better prepared for... That they really Fucked Up!
And like it or not.... really hold the Brunt of the Blame for what we see in the Video.

I mean... let's be honest for a moment. If all of these people Were Terrorist. .. they would have had a Slaughter on their Hands! Due to a lack of obviously "No Plan", of how to properly deal with the Problem! Hoping they don't come is not a Plan... Having a bunch of People running through your Streets as the Video shows... Who you should be Afraid of, according to the video... Seems a little like who ever was in charge of the Country, should probably not be... Right? Seeing that having a bunch of people running through streets, even if it is their own citizens, would normally have some sort of proper security, if nothing else... to at least keep them safe from getting hit by cars, or something... but, these were people they didn't even know, Right? In one of the stories... I actually read, that they pulled the police out in their Entirety. Really??? So, just let anyone run down your streets?

Perhaps, the Filmmakers if they really wanted to do a service... should of covered this aspect... Which as a Viewer... would of Been much More Frightening. Knowing that their Government, doesn't know what the Hell it is doing...was grossly unprepared ... for a situation, that to be honest, wasn't and didn't need to be so Apocalyptic. Can you Imagine if the Shit really did hit the Fan?
 
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As I said above among them there are provocateurs who indeed are after scheming for trouble. Their purpose is another issue which I do not want to enter here. Just consider the fact that in Greece one out of three Greeks are living in poverty and social blockade conditions, based on Eurostat data of 2015. Now 2017, the situation is much much more harder!!

I really hope you have a more clear view now.
You beat me to the Punch...
I actually am very aware of what was happening...

Kinda felt the poster of the Video wasn't though...
 

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Oh no, are you that dumb? Do you really believe that crap?

Poor boy...

Look out your window: do you see any riots?

Here it's the same. It's peaceful, there's only problems when the fascists try to take over because the citizens get to the streets.

I think you really have a problem. Travel a bit, meet people, be a man.

I really pity you.
So you Stalinist, in lack of argument you start trashing and call me fascist in every of my threads on this forum. Who is to pity then?
Get some help,get better, until then

Up yours Sir. Vive la revolution.
 

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you start trashing and call me fascist

People who support Le Pen are fascists (or neo-nazis if you prefer).

You seem to have very short memory, and/or very little culture, so for your personal info:

The "Front National" was founded in 1972 at the congress of an extreme-right movement called "Ordre Nouveau" ("New Order"). The President was J-M Le Pen, and the vice-president was Well Emmanuel Allot, aka François Brigneau, a member of the collaborationist "Milice" during WW2 that took an active part in the holocaust and the murders of the resistants (Chistian-democrats, socialists, communists (in France, before Hitler went to war with Russia), anarchists, anti-fascists patriots whatever their political opinions).

The logo of the "Front National" is a copy of the flame of the Movimento Sociale Italiano (MSI), the survivors of the Mussolini era.

Etc.

Just like inmany countries in Europe, there were movements that openly supported the nazis and the fascists. I suppose that if there are members from Rumania, Hungary, Belgium, Norway, etc., they know their history.

Apparently you don't.

Or if you do and you support such ideas, you're just a...

As for people taking to the streets to preserve democracy, I quoted Rumania. Watch the news from reliable sources instead of posting far-right propaganda.

A stalinist? Hu hu... No, a free-thinker, a liberal, yes.

Alain Krizic

I didn't waste time to post any links, I understand that as the saying goes "you can't make a donkey who isn't thisty to drink".

Ignorance is not strength, contrary to what too many people believe...
 
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You beat me to the Punch...
I actually am very aware of what was happening...

Kinda felt the poster of the Video wasn't though...

Couple facts first and answer to some questions you asked.
Two main routes are overseas through Greece and by land through Turkey-then FYR of Macedonia-Serbia-then it splits on Croatia and Hungary-further through Slovenia,Austria etc ,end goal,rich western countries Germany,Norway ,Sweden etc. There is also one route overseas to Italy.

You have to know that all this countries one the route are in economy crises and they cannot provide logistics for taking care of so many people in such a short time so therefore you can see people in the cities in the middle of the field with tents or without them.
Riots start on every of the borders when it was closed in effort to control the flow of the people in order they don't kill each other in stampedos to buses and trains. The borders where also closed when Germany or Austria first announce they won't accept more people and than the other borders where closed in domino effect. For instance Hungary at first didn't want to take any refuges then they accept to transfer them but first they have to be enlisted and fingerprinted. This practice where introduced in other countries too,especially after terrorist attacks in Belgium and France as it was shown perpetrators where using this route. Every delay on border caused rioting because everyone wants to go to Germany and that they were not of the same ethnicity and interests.It is very easy to ignite rioting, especially those economic migrants without kids.

I know what war refuge is from first hand,even before this, and they are poorly dressed and with the plastic bag what they took in last minute before fleeing.
And when you see a horror in the eyes of kids that were exposed to shelling is something you'll never forget.
But on the other hands what to say to a fat ass who throw you back sandwich in face and say that's for dogs,bitching on the internet speed and that he can't find where to buy battery pack for iphone. My answer is a first class ticket to were he came from.

Now on your other questions and comments,we have some pundits here, just like you ,on organization and distribution of help,police action,geostrategic situation commentators but all what they contribute is like they rearrange their underwear in the closet.
It is easy to blame those countries on lack of capability to solve this.

There were refuges before, war or economic but they adopt the culture of the countries they are accepted in. Majority of those don't show these intentions and are trying to impose their culture and way of living here,that is what is scaring people in Europe.
 

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I know what war refuge is from first hand,even before this, and they are poorly dressed and with the plastic bag what they took in last minute before fleeing.
And when you see a horror in the eyes of kids that were exposed to shelling is something you'll never forget.

Aye, sorry I called you a "ustase". It looks that after all there's a heart behind the avatar, and the screen.

But on the other hands what to say to a fat ass who throw you back sandwich in face and say that's for dogs,bitching on the internet speed and that he can't find where to buy battery pack for iphone.

Have you personally exprerienced that?
 

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Then get out of your bubble, you book worm.

Beware!

Sometimes "bookworms" are superheroes :D

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Joking apart, I think that reading books makes you much more intelligent than posting fascist propaganda.

You know what Goebbels would say when he heard the word "culture"?...
 

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Couple facts first and answer to some questions you asked.
Two main routes are overseas through Greece and by land through Turkey-then FYR of Macedonia-Serbia-then it splits on Croatia and Hungary-further through Slovenia,Austria etc ,end goal,rich western countries Germany,Norway ,Sweden etc. There is also one route overseas to Italy.

You have to know that all this countries one the route are in economy crises and they cannot provide logistics for taking care of so many people in such a short time so therefore you can see people in the cities in the middle of the field with tents or without them.
Riots start on every of the borders when it was closed in effort to control the flow of the people in order they don't kill each other in stampedos to buses and trains. The borders where also closed when Germany or Austria first announce they won't accept more people and than the other borders where closed in domino effect. For instance Hungary at first didn't want to take any refuges then they accept to transfer them but first they have to be enlisted and fingerprinted. This practice where introduced in other countries too,especially after terrorist attacks in Belgium and France as it was shown perpetrators where using this route. Every delay on border caused rioting because everyone wants to go to Germany and that they were not of the same ethnicity and interests.It is very easy to ignite rioting, especially those economic migrants without kids.

I know what war refuge is from first hand,even before this, and they are poorly dressed and with the plastic bag what they took in last minute before fleeing.
And when you see a horror in the eyes of kids that were exposed to shelling is something you'll never forget.
But on the other hands what to say to a fat ass who throw you back sandwich in face and say that's for dogs,bitching on the internet speed and that he can't find where to buy battery pack for iphone. My answer is a first class ticket to were he came from.

Now on your other questions and comments,we have some pundits here, just like you ,on organization and distribution of help,police action,geostrategic situation commentators but all what they contribute is like they rearrange their underwear in the closet.
It is easy to blame those countries on lack of capability to solve this.

There were refuges before, war or economic but they adopt the culture of the countries they are accepted in. Majority of those don't show these intentions and are trying to impose their culture and way of living here,that is what is scaring people in Europe.
Where to start?

I don't think you even came close to answering any of the questions I ask about the Video... and to be honest, if I may... I don't think you really intended to with any of what you have posted here.

The questions should of been very simple, seeing they asked for pretty much just some basic info regarding the video and the events that occured on the video. And there is obviously, seeing that I found tons of it out there... quite a few places one could easily go and pull a particular number from... or a particular event that happened, it's location , and post it up as a response.

Which then begs the question of why you cannot supply us with this?

You want us to believe All Hell is Breaking Loose... Ok. Then show us the evidence that sunstanciates this claim.
 

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676 New messages since the last time I ventured into this shithole of disgust.

No offense Fredman!

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Piss on Love!?

Go ahead!

I hope you'se are not too busy wasting type on dumb shit to care for your trees.

Don't forget,

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What is it.....

80% off house dust is human skin?

It's abundant.

Still....

The skin you've wasted off your typing fingers is still more valuable than anything you've gained from this thread.

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