3 Seed Groups, no instructions. First Bonsai.

XD is a gourd pot?



Makes it sound like a planet!

Am I the nonsense....
Or is This the nonsense,
And I am merely confused by it?

Sorce
XD represents a laughinh face. Sort of like :) or ;D the D is the mouth and the X is crossed eyes. Uts basically the text form of the cross eye emoji. So yea ur just plain confused. And i thought u were talking about the gourd message not the real one u responded to.
 
For Real...

Gift them the seeds.

Or a $63 dollar light set up may be the "batteries required"...ho ho No!

Or they're likely to die!

The seeds and help from us...
Is a more sustainable gift!

So....

You are from the North pole ARE you?

Sorce
 
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Seeds soaking. Pots are at the window.
 
For Real...

Gift them the seeds.

Or a $63 dollar light set up may be the "batteries required"...ho ho No!

Or they're likely to die!

The seeds and help from us...
Is a more sustainable gift!

So....

You are from the North pole ARE you?

Sorce
No I'm from PA USA, the east coast, northern east coast. And I already got the seeds n shit started so it's too late. They would probably like the gift more anyway if I did it this way.
 
If anyone has discord or Instagram id rather talk on there because it's alot easier as apposed to always being on my email waiting for a notif
 
MGO
Please dont take this the wrong way but what Christmas are planning on gifting these? Because if your plan is this Christmas there is a distinct chance you will be giving them a cup of dirt or at best a two leave 1 inch seedling. As Source hinted without a light source these will struggle. You mentioned keeping yours near your game console. What kind on light can you provide them there?
 
Hello Human from Earth,
I just got my first Bonsai kit from Ashbrook Outdoors. They include instructions for the 5 main seeds however there are 3 without instructions to start the growing process. The 3 are as follows
-Cinnamomum Camphora
-Enterlobium Cyclocarpum
-Ficus Religosa
If anyone could tell me what I need to do pre-sowing, sowing, watering, required sunlight, and time to germinate for all three that would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks to all
-MGO
P.S. I plan on giving away all but one bonsai, Jacaranda Mimosifolia, for christmas along with required tools and just start them all up now for people. I chose that species because it will match my gaming setup, which is Black and Blue.

Throw everything in the trash can and buy trees already in some state of developement. You will be years ahead. The trees you listed, if growing from seed, are at least five to seven years from anything close to something resembling "bonsai".
 
Please can someone seriously help. I need to start these this weekend. Asap.
I feel for you.
If I knew anything about these seeds I would help but I don't.
I see what you're trying to do here and it's nice but growing trees from seed does take a long time.
I'm sorry but @Mellow Mullet is right.
If you really want to be serious about gifting trees this year you should just buy one.
Then start the seeds in spring if you so want.
Most bonsaiare created by cutting down larger trees then reviewing them out.
By starting from seed you grow it out for years then cut it back. Most just skip the growing out period and get larger trees to cut down to size.
Good luck though.
 
Uhhhhh. Shit. The thing is that the thing I got said that in a year or so the bonsai will outgrow the pots it's been given. So idk. My mom got it for me and would probably shoot me if I said I needed her to buy me 8 trees when we already have seeds. How much more would this cost, approximately. The book also said that they germiate in 2-6 weeks.
 
MGO,
They might germinate between now a Christmas but they will still be very small. It will be years before they can be trained. It is great they you want to share this with your family. Maybe as family can enjoy growing these and not worry so much about Bonsai training. Once they get some size you can make the decision to get more involved in Bonsai.

Do you have a light setup?

Mike
 
Uhhhhh. Shit. The thing is that the thing I got said that in a year or so the bonsai will outgrow the pots it's been given. So idk. My mom got it for me and would probably shoot me if I said I needed her to buy me 8 trees when we already have seeds. How much more would this cost, approximately. The book also said that they germiate in 2-6 weeks.

Not a bonsai, just a seedling. You don't grow bonsai from seeds, you grow trees from seeds.
 
Hello Human from Earth,
I just got my first Bonsai kit from Ashbrook Outdoors. They include instructions for the 5 main seeds however there are 3 without instructions to start the growing process. The 3 are as follows
-Cinnamomum Camphora
-Enterlobium Cyclocarpum
-Ficus Religosa
If anyone could tell me what I need to do pre-sowing, sowing, watering, required sunlight, and time to germinate for all three that would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks to all
-MGO
P.S. I plan on giving away all but one bonsai, Jacaranda Mimosifolia, for christmas along with required tools and just start them all up now for people. I chose that species because it will match my gaming setup, which is Black and Blue.

Hello and welcome to BNut
Raising pre-bonsai trees from seed is ''its own thing'', I've been doing bonsai, and raising trees from seed since 1973 when I was in high school. I'm easily old enough to be your grandfather. I still get crap from my fellow bonsai friends for starting seed every year. (you'll never live long enough, oh yeah, I have every intention of being here). Yet they don't complain when I hand out 6 year old trees seedling I started, So I encourage you to dive in. I do warn you out of all the seedlings I've started less than 10 % make it to their 4th or 5th year. A lot of things can go wrong. There is very little about raising seedlings in bonsai books, because it is the ''nurseryman's side of the business''. However this side of the hobby is important, because there is a big difference between a 5 year old seedling, raised with bonsai in mind and a 5 year old seedling raised with intent for it to be a landscape plant.

The ficus seeds are so fine I would sow the seeds on the surface of the soil, cover the pot with clear plastic wrap, then put the pot in a clear plastic bag like you use for food. When second set of leaves start to open, you can first open the bag, then after a few days remove the bag. Bright shade and warm temperatures for the ficus seedlings.

The Cinnamomum camphora - soak 24 hours, bury seed about 1/4 inch, keep cup at or above 75 F, very bright shade, until more than 4 leaves, then slowly acclimate to half sun when outdoors, pretty much full sun indoors windowsill.

the guanacaste - Enterolobium cyclocarpum - this is a legume family tree, somewhat like Delonix, but different. Flowers are famous for fragrance. If you haven't soaked these yet, if you have a file or even sandpaper, file a nick in the hard seed coat, or sand down one spot on the seed coat until color changes showing you sanded through most of the seed coat. Then soak for 24 hours. The sanding or filing has the same purpose as boiling water with less chance of cooking the seed embryo to death. (seeds cooked a couple hours are eaten as food in Costa Rica)
guanacaste is a full sun tropical tree, it will be weak grown indoors.

All the species you listed require fairly high light. Ficus in general will do well as a winter indoors, summer outdoors bonsai. The rest will suffer during winter, and resent the winter indoors. but they can be grown. For comparison, if you were to set up lights, you would need a light garden bright enough for tomatoes, peppers or marijuana. These are not cheap set ups, but not horribly expensive. I use T5 fixture by Sunblaze. the 48 inch fixture with 4 or 8 lamps, depending on the space. I use 5500K and 6500K T5 lamps. With an 18 hour day length, this will give foliage within 16 inches of the lamps the equivalent of rough 50% sun. Good enough for many trees, not good enough for pines. Okay for ficus, Brazilian rain trees, and the trees on your list. Nice thing about the SunBlaze fixture is the reflector is excellent, maximizing the amount of light directed down to the plants. And it is industrial but attractive enough that parents would not object to it being seen in the house.

So welcome to the hobby.

I realize the message board here is sluggish compared to Instagram, FB, IM, but the conversations are searchable and the intent is that everyone can read them at their leisure.

Leo
 
Hello and welcome to BNut
Raising pre-bonsai trees from seed is ''its own thing'', I've been doing bonsai, and raising trees from seed since 1973 when I was in high school. I'm easily old enough to be your grandfather. I still get crap from my fellow bonsai friends for starting seed every year. (you'll never live long enough, oh yeah, I have every intention of being here). Yet they don't complain when I hand out 6 year old trees seedling I started, So I encourage you to dive in. I do warn you out of all the seedlings I've started less than 10 % make it to their 4th or 5th year. A lot of things can go wrong. There is very little about raising seedlings in bonsai books, because it is the ''nurseryman's side of the business''. However this side of the hobby is important, because there is a big difference between a 5 year old seedling, raised with bonsai in mind and a 5 year old seedling raised with intent for it to be a landscape plant.

The ficus seeds are so fine I would sow the seeds on the surface of the soil, cover the pot with clear plastic wrap, then put the pot in a clear plastic bag like you use for food. When second set of leaves start to open, you can first open the bag, then after a few days remove the bag. Bright shade and warm temperatures for the ficus seedlings.

The Cinnamomum camphora - soak 24 hours, bury seed about 1/4 inch, keep cup at or above 75 F, very bright shade, until more than 4 leaves, then slowly acclimate to half sun when outdoors, pretty much full sun indoors windowsill.

the guanacaste - Enterolobium cyclocarpum - this is a legume family tree, somewhat like Delonix, but different. Flowers are famous for fragrance. If you haven't soaked these yet, if you have a file or even sandpaper, file a nick in the hard seed coat, or sand down one spot on the seed coat until color changes showing you sanded through most of the seed coat. Then soak for 24 hours. The sanding or filing has the same purpose as boiling water with less chance of cooking the seed embryo to death. (seeds cooked a couple hours are eaten as food in Costa Rica)
guanacaste is a full sun tropical tree, it will be weak grown indoors.

All the species you listed require fairly high light. Ficus in general will do well as a winter indoors, summer outdoors bonsai. The rest will suffer during winter, and resent the winter indoors. but they can be grown. For comparison, if you were to set up lights, you would need a light garden bright enough for tomatoes, peppers or marijuana. These are not cheap set ups, but not horribly expensive. I use T5 fixture by Sunblaze. the 48 inch fixture with 4 or 8 lamps, depending on the space. I use 5500K and 6500K T5 lamps. With an 18 hour day length, this will give foliage within 16 inches of the lamps the equivalent of rough 50% sun. Good enough for many trees, not good enough for pines. Okay for ficus, Brazilian rain trees, and the trees on your list. Nice thing about the SunBlaze fixture is the reflector is excellent, maximizing the amount of light directed down to the plants. And it is industrial but attractive enough that parents would not object to it being seen in the house.

So welcome to the hobby.

I realize the message board here is sluggish compared to Instagram, FB, IM, but the conversations are searchable and the intent is that everyone can read them at their leisure.

Leo
Why thanks but I already did pre-sowing for them. The two I didn't get advice on I just soaked for 24 hours. Fortunately the one needed that. I have them all planted already. I have them all sitting at a window at my game desk. I plan on keeping a Jacandra Mimosifolia as my plant in a special container on my setup the rest I will giveaway. Thanks for the help but in me and my parents situation we can't afford something like a lighting fixture. At this point all I can say is I hope for the best really. I followed the books instructions to the T that came with these seedlings and how to start them. I do have an overhead lamp at my desk. Is there a lightbulb I could put in it to give them a special boost or something in health? It has a standard bulb socket. Thanks for the help.
MGO

P.S. I feel the soil (still wet) and it's very cold. Is there something I should do to change this or will it be fine?
 

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