Anybody ever try bud grafting?

[0soyoung]

What does that imply for plants with adventitious buds? Could you not create artificial nodes this way and then they would act as regular buds, possibly then creating axillary buds?

I am unsure of what we're talking about here, so I will ramble a bit.

I assume you mean 'in an internode' by 'adventitious'.
In botany, 'adventitious' means in an unusual place, like roots emerging from a cut leaf, or shoots emerging from roots or maybe in an internode, AFIK. In bonsai, the term is attached to a new terminal bud/candle that emerges in the same season after pruning the season's new shoot (on a JBP/JRP - which doesn't seem to be an unusual place).

Grafting will not produce a new node. It will only make the appearance of a node. A node being a position along a stem where branching can naturally occur. If you graft a stem successfully, it will grow normally; once the graft has taken, the cambium, becomes continuous with the mother. The growth of the cambium produces new xylem and phloem, continuous with the mother. If you graft a bud, that bud will still have all the properties of a bud. If not suppressed by a more distal apical meristem, it will produce a shoot; otherwise, at most a leaf or flower (depending upon whether it is a vegetative bud or one that has been morphed into a flower bud before lifted for grafting). Supposing this bud is released to produce a shoot (after the graft has taken), the shoot will be a normal shoot for the species, producing new (axillary) buds along its length at nodes.

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[cbroad]

Sorry and thanks for everyone bearing with me, yeah this is mostly internal ramblings typed out...

I assume you mean 'in an internode' by 'adventitious'.

Yes

It will only make the appearance of a node. A node being a position along a stem where branching can naturally occur.

But haven't you basically just created a node for all intents and purposes, albeit an artificial one?

If you graft a stem successfully, it will grow normally; once the graft has taken, the cambium, becomes continuous with the mother. The growth of the cambium produces new xylem and phloem, continuous with the mother. If you graft a bud, that bud will still have all the properties of a bud. If not suppressed by a more distal apical meristem, it will produce a shoot; otherwise, at most a leaf or flower (depending upon whether it is a vegetative bud or one that has been morphed into a flower bud before lifted for grafting). Supposing this bud is released to produce a shoot (after the graft has taken), the shoot will be a normal shoot for the species, producing new (axillary) buds along its length at nodes.

That's the process that I felt would happen. But couldn't you could essentially rebuild a plants structure? I understand that doesn't mean you would also get an opposite bud on oppositely arranged stems, but you could build nodes exactly where you want them which could mean ramifying branches and thickening ones where you need it.

Like I said, I'm a tinkerer so none of this may have any merit... But I'm just a curious person

 

[cbroad]

@bonhe
Just looked up side grafting, I was unaware of that term...

 

[0soyoung]

But haven't you basically just created a node for all intents and purposes, albeit an artificial one?

With a bud graft, yes. Otherwise, I don't think so. With a side/approach/thread graft the joint doesn't contain any meristematic/nodal tissue at the union.

But couldn't you could essentially rebuild a plants structure? I understand that doesn't mean you would also get an opposite bud on oppositely arranged stems, but you could build nodes exactly where you want them which could mean ramifying branches and thickening ones where you need it.

Yes, albeit, quite tediously. But this is what I meant by 'putting a branch right where you want it'. Also, if the species doesn't backbud (e.g., p. strobus), grafting is the only way to get foliage back near the trunk (where you want it!).

Like I said, I'm a tinkerer ... But I'm just a curious person

We're birds of a feather.

Air layering is where I started. Some unexpected things happened. I read scholarly papers trying to understand why - it proved to be fruitful and I've been in the weeds ever since.

I put off tinkering with grafting for far too long. I did try some two season's ago; learned something; more this past season. Some useful successes, some complete failures, and some 'gaddmit-I-should-a-known-thats'. The physiology of it is simple. Technique is everything.

Fun stuff.

... but what about this inane hobby isn't?

 

[sorce]

I guess I deserve that poop drop Sorce..

No not really!

Let me know when you find the other one!



Grafting.....

I have been thinking about approach Grafting roots,

Why do we always use separate seedlings?

Sorce

 

[0soyoung]

I have been thinking about approach Grafting roots,

Why do we always use separate seedlings?

What else would you use?

 

[sorce]

What else would you use?

Is it, in arch approach Grafting?

Roots from elsewhere on the same tree.

Sorce

 

[0soyoung]

Is it, in arch approach Grafting?

Roots from elsewhere on the same tree.

Sorce

I see what you are saying.

Terminology is a bitch!

The benefits of using seedlings is analogous to layering. The seedling has roots and foliage to sustain itself until its cambium fuses with the mother plant's cambium (then the unwanted part is removed). 'Scion grafting' uses a cutting that is inserted into a cut that exposes the mother plant's cambium (and scion/mother cambiums mated) is analogous to rooting a cutting - the scion is missing organs until the mated cambiums have produced a new layer of xylem and/or phloem.

Never thought about utilizing an 'orbiting' root this way - I just immediately cut them off when I find them. hmmm ...

 

[sorce]

Never thought about utilizing an 'orbiting' root this way - I just immediately cut them off when I find them. hmmm

I have positioned a couple around from underneath to see what would happen.
Never made cuts n such though.

I figure the final product can't look any worse than the traditional way.

I would imagine it being less noticeable.

Sorce

 

[bonhe]

@bonhe
Just looked up side grafting, I was unaware of that term...

I have a post regarding to the side graft on the forum.
Bonhe