Displaying a Tree with wire on it... Yikes !!!
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I was a judges asst. at our Midwest show, (not this yr) and one of the visiting judges felt that if wire was needed, then the tree wasn't ready for showing.
Is anyone going to tell me that this tree is not worthy of showing?
http://samedge.wordpress.com/2013/01/17/bay-island-bonsai-2012-exhibit-2/
It has wire all over it. It has guy wires, even.
(Sorry, I have a picture on my hard drive, and I'm unable to upload the photo. I've tried, it just never uploads... If anyone can upload the picture, and/or tell me how to do it, I'd be forever grateful!)
Adair
http://samedge.wordpress.com/2013/01/17/bay-island-bonsai-2012-exhibit-2/
It has wire all over it. It has guy wires, even.
(Sorry, I have a picture on my hard drive, and I'm unable to upload the photo. I've tried, it just never uploads... If anyone can upload the picture, and/or tell me how to do it, I'd be forever grateful!)
Adair
Walter Pall
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Yes I agree, but at the same time I disagree. If that were so then our exhibits wold look MUCH worse. Very few folks have trees that can be shown without wire. I am one of those and therefore should be all for NO WIRE policy. But I am not.
october
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From what I have known, a little wire on trees is acceptable. As long as it is not the whole tree and extremely obvious.
There are is something that I find important in regards to this subject. Bonsai is an art of skill and patience. However, we must remain realistic, for example. Bonsai does not have a large number of enthusiasts compared to other hobbies. If someone new begins bonsai, it generally takes them 2-4 years to really develop some skill and an eye for good material. Figure that around year 3 or so, they will be working on better material. They now decide that they might like to enter an exhibition. Now, they have a nice piece of material that they begin working on. They train it for 3-4 years and the tree looks good, but still has wire on it. It will need 1 more year or so to be able to be entered with no wire. By the time they are ready to exhibit their tree. They are going on 10 years in the hobby. This is a good amount of time. I mean, the person could literally become a medical doctor in this time. Also, what about someone starting the hobby in 50's or 60's. Are they supposed to wait until their 70's to exhibit a tree.
Of course, there are short cuts. Entering a tree that has already had work done to. Paying money for decent material etc.. I think that allowing a little wire on trees makes it a little quicker, easier and more realistic. If we want to continue having new people get involved with bonsai. Although we do have to explain the relevance of patience. We have to be realistic as well. No one wants to start a hobby and be told that they will have something showable in 10 years.
Rob
There are is something that I find important in regards to this subject. Bonsai is an art of skill and patience. However, we must remain realistic, for example. Bonsai does not have a large number of enthusiasts compared to other hobbies. If someone new begins bonsai, it generally takes them 2-4 years to really develop some skill and an eye for good material. Figure that around year 3 or so, they will be working on better material. They now decide that they might like to enter an exhibition. Now, they have a nice piece of material that they begin working on. They train it for 3-4 years and the tree looks good, but still has wire on it. It will need 1 more year or so to be able to be entered with no wire. By the time they are ready to exhibit their tree. They are going on 10 years in the hobby. This is a good amount of time. I mean, the person could literally become a medical doctor in this time. Also, what about someone starting the hobby in 50's or 60's. Are they supposed to wait until their 70's to exhibit a tree.
Of course, there are short cuts. Entering a tree that has already had work done to. Paying money for decent material etc.. I think that allowing a little wire on trees makes it a little quicker, easier and more realistic. If we want to continue having new people get involved with bonsai. Although we do have to explain the relevance of patience. We have to be realistic as well. No one wants to start a hobby and be told that they will have something showable in 10 years.
Rob
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Omono
It was either Peter Tea, Peter Warren or Ryan, I honestly don't recall.
But, reading Walter's and Robs posts, I can understand having wire on trees given the time constraints we all have though.
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Sorry, haven't chimed in further, been really busy getting ready for the trip up to NY...
I am more one of those folks that's in the middle regarding wire, this is that I understand
the need for trees to have wire on it for a show... I just don't personally want to see it
though. If it's hidden fine, if not the wire just kinda ruins the illusion...
In regards to my tree... the wire is going to be visible...
I cleaned it up as much as possible, but I figured that removing it all together would not
only set my tree's design back further, not to mention I would then have to go and re-wire it all
over again, but then the style and pads would be all out of whack, and would look like
crap anyways !!!
So, it is what it is... and yes it would be nice to win an award...
but, the tree is only going to get better, and there will be plenty enough time for award
winning, and celebrating. I am just glad to be a part of the competition, and glad to be
able to display my art !!!
Currently my tree is in route to NY... and I will be the same tomorrow !!!
I am more one of those folks that's in the middle regarding wire, this is that I understand
the need for trees to have wire on it for a show... I just don't personally want to see it
though. If it's hidden fine, if not the wire just kinda ruins the illusion...
In regards to my tree... the wire is going to be visible...
I cleaned it up as much as possible, but I figured that removing it all together would not
only set my tree's design back further, not to mention I would then have to go and re-wire it all
over again, but then the style and pads would be all out of whack, and would look like
crap anyways !!!
So, it is what it is... and yes it would be nice to win an award...
but, the tree is only going to get better, and there will be plenty enough time for award
winning, and celebrating. I am just glad to be a part of the competition, and glad to be
able to display my art !!!
Currently my tree is in route to NY... and I will be the same tomorrow !!!
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Well Good Luck and safe travels!
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In general, copper is used on conifers due to its better holding capacity for the size of wire as well as its color. A conifer will have to have been in training generally for decades before it can be shown without wire. There also seems to be fads in bonsai shows, especially in Japan. A few years ago, trees completely wired out and perfect was the in thing. Now there seems to be more of a trend to try and show conifers a little more wild and without much if any wire.
Aluminum is generally used on deciduous trees. It is gentler on the bark and does not discolor the especially lighter colored barks as copper does. Deciduous trees are shown without wire - this is particularly important for winter shows when deciduous trees are at their glorious best (or worst).
Aluminum is generally used on deciduous trees. It is gentler on the bark and does not discolor the especially lighter colored barks as copper does. Deciduous trees are shown without wire - this is particularly important for winter shows when deciduous trees are at their glorious best (or worst).
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