Hedging Cutting Junipers ???

[Dav4]

Here you go...

Quote Originally Posted by Dav4 View Post

He didn't offer any other suggestions other then to say he hated the bleached wood. He prefers the natural greys of old deadwood, as do I. Honestly, I only applied the jin fluid because the new and old deadwood clashed so much...the last time I had applied it was probably 4-5 years ago, and I definitely like the more natural color. In a few months, the bleaching will fade again.

As far as protecting the wood from deterioration, Kathy Shaner recommended a water based wood hardener called PC-Petrifier...I found some at Ace Hardware. She cuts it 50% with water and applies it to the deadwood which has been pre moistened. I've used it and like it alot as it doesn't give the wood a "plastic" look as some of the other wood hardeners might. As a matter of fact, I was treating the wood with this product just this morning.
mcpesq817 responded
Thanks for passing that along - I'll have to check it out.

 

[Dav4]

next one...
Nice tree (and pot) Dave! It's really looking great, especially in the current planting position. Congrats on showing it. FWIW, I like the developing canopy and am definitely (at the moment) partial to the fuller canopies over gnarly deadwood...realistic or not. If anything, I might consider refining the cascading right branch into a few pads, and not letting the apex get much taller. The silhouette is very pleasing. Check out Jonas' blog entry today, a nice shimp with some similarities to the styling of yours

 

[Dav4]

and the last I think...

Quote Originally Posted by Brian Van Fleet View Post

Nice tree (and pot) Dave! It's really looking great, especially in the current planting position. Congrats on showing it. FWIW, I like the developing canopy and am definitely (at the moment) partial to the fuller canopies over gnarly deadwood...realistic or not. If anything, I might consider refining the cascading right branch into a few pads, and not letting the apex get much taller. The silhouette is very pleasing. Check out Jonas' blog entry today, a nice shimp with some similarities to the styling of yours.

My response

Thanks for the thumbs up, Brian. One thing that may be obvious to some here is that this tree is still developing and really wasn't show ready...the only reason I wanted to bring it to the Expo was to let Walter see it in person again. I've been growing out the canopy- thinning/pinching/repeat- for the last three years and the canopy really has filled in and out. It now needs to be refined...pads need to be formed and the apex needs to be shortened. Also, there is a 6-8" slightly curved portion of the trunk that comprises the apex that has no taper and really needs to be shortened significantly or hidden. In other words, I think I need to redo the apex. I'll be having fun later on this fall, for sure. Take care,

Dave

 

[A Random User]

and the last I think...

Quote Originally Posted by Brian Van Fleet View Post

Nice tree (and pot) Dave! It's really looking great, especially in the current planting position. Congrats on showing it. FWIW, I like the developing canopy and am definitely (at the moment) partial to the fuller canopies over gnarly deadwood...realistic or not. If anything, I might consider refining the cascading right branch into a few pads, and not letting the apex get much taller. The silhouette is very pleasing. Check out Jonas' blog entry today, a nice shimp with some similarities to the styling of yours.

My response

Thanks for the thumbs up, Brian. One thing that may be obvious to some here is that this tree is still developing and really wasn't show ready...the only reason I wanted to bring it to the Expo was to let Walter see it in person again. I've been growing out the canopy- thinning/pinching/repeat- for the last three years and the canopy really has filled in and out. It now needs to be refined...pads need to be formed and the apex needs to be shortened. Also, there is a 6-8" slightly curved portion of the trunk that comprises the apex that has no taper and really needs to be shortened significantly or hidden. In other words, I think I need to redo the apex. I'll be having fun later on this fall, for sure. Take care,

Dave

The part of the "one thing that may be obvious to someone here", is in response to my second post that you seem to be missing ??? Can you please post up my second post . Thanks

 

[Dav4]

The part of the "one thing that may be obvious to someone here", is in response to my second post that you seem to be missing ??? Can you please post up my second post . Thanks

Stacy, as far as I can tell, there is no second post...maybe you can find it but I'm tired and really don't feel like this is getting us anywhere, but here's the link to the thread in question, if anyone still cares...Stacy's first post (since deleted) is captured in quotes inside one of my pots on the second page...http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthread.php?1211-Yamadori-Rocky-Mountain-Juniper

Also, you misquoted me above...it actually should read "One thing that may be obvious to some here is that this tree is still developing and really wasn't show ready...the only reason I wanted to bring it to the Expo was to let Walter see it in person again"

 

[Smoke]

I have been a huge advocate for hedging trees, but, mostly diciduous trees. For the same reasons Oct mentioned, its the cutting of the larger tips and the lagging of the inner shoots that makes hedging a juniper difficult. Two junipers that respond well to hedging are San Jose and Foemina. They both back bud from old wood extremely well. many other junipers do not.

After hedging a maple thru the year, in Autumn I can go back in and clear away all the larger growth that was hedged as a larger branch. These knobs that accumulate on the ends can be cut away on a maple and will bud, but cutting them away on a juniper means that the tip will either stall or die.

Hedging can only be done on a juniper during the active growing season, about three months after bud break. For some that would not allow suffecient time for back budding to even occur and harden off before early frost occur. There are some things that can be done in Florida and California that shouldn't be done in a lot of the USA. Taking any foliage off a juniper when it is not actively growing will stall the tip and it will not grow in following seasons.

Many here feel that defoliation is the answer to increased bud growth, and I have had my share of arguments about that as well. Maybe defoliation is the answer for your junipers......

 

[A Random User]

Stacy, as far as I can tell, there is no second post...maybe you can find it but I'm tired and really don't feel like this is getting us anywhere, but here's the link to the thread in question, if anyone still cares...Stacy's first post (since deleted) is captured in quotes inside one of my pots on the second page...http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthread.php?1211-Yamadori-Rocky-Mountain-Juniper

Also, you misquoted me above...it actually should read "One thing that may be obvious to some here is that this tree is still developing and really wasn't show ready...the only reason I wanted to bring it to the Expo was to let Walter see it in person again"

Thanks for the correction, and I do apologize for the misqoute...
I don't feel that that this was meant to get us anywhere in the first place.
I just thought you might want to know.
Having said this, the reason why you are not finding it is because it
does no longer exist... you didn't qoute my second post, so it is just gone
Along with everything else I ever posted. Story of my life here at the nut house.

 

[A Random User]

I have been a huge advocate for hedging trees, but, mostly diciduous trees. For the same reasons Oct mentioned, its the cutting of the larger tips and the lagging of the inner shoots that makes hedging a juniper difficult. Two junipers that respond well to hedging are San Jose and Foemina. They both back bud from old wood extremely well. many other junipers do not.

After hedging a maple thru the year, in Autumn I can go back in and clear away all the larger growth that was hedged as a larger branch. These knobs that accumulate on the ends can be cut away on a maple and will bud, but cutting them away on a juniper means that the tip will either stall or die.

Hedging can only be done on a juniper during the active growing season, about three months after bud break. For some that would not allow suffecient time for back budding to even occur and harden off before early frost occur. There are some things that can be done in Florida and California that shouldn't be done in a lot of the USA. Taking any foliage off a juniper when it is not actively growing will stall the tip and it will not grow in following seasons.

Many here feel that defoliation is the answer to increased bud growth, and I have had my share of arguments about that as well. Maybe defoliation is the answer for your junipers......

Thanks for the post...
Will be sure and and defoliate those junipers !!!

 

[Dav4]

Thanks for the correction, and I do apologize for the misqoute...
I don't feel that that this was meant to get us anywhere in the first place.
I just thought you might want to know.
Having said this, the reason why you are not finding it is because it
does no longer exist... you didn't qoute my second post, so it is just gone
Along with everything else I ever posted. Story of my life here at the nut house.

Stacy, the reason I was willing to play the game and share the posts you were requesting is because I will stand behind what I post or, perhaps, admit if I was wrong, or an asshole, whatever fits. I own my posts...they are mine forever. I really don't know why you were booted in the first place and I really don't care. Ultimately, you need to take responsibility for your actions and their repercussions. I'm done here...good luck.

 

[Smoke]

Thanks for the post...
Will be sure and and defoliate those junipers !!!

Thats the spirit....

 

[michaelj]

You found me out buddy.

And for the record, it's cleft palate.

Are you sure he didn't actually mean a cleft pallet?



Because I'm pretty sure cleft pallets are a thing.

 

[A Random User]

Stacy, the reason I was willing to play the game and share the posts you were requesting is because I will stand behind what I post or, perhaps, admit if I was wrong, or an asshole, whatever fits. I own my posts...they are mine forever. I really don't know why you were booted in the first place and I really don't care. Ultimately, you need to take responsibility for your actions and their repercussions. I'm done here...good luck.

Yes... but what you are missing is the fact that I cannot even defend my words or actions
good or bad. You keep telling me that I need to take responsibility for my actions, sorry this
couldn't be any further from the truth... I have not only taken responsibility for my actions,
I have also had to do what no one here has ever had to do, and that is take responsibility for
Things I didn't actually do.

By the way, how long ago was that when I posted at your thread... don't really need to tell me,
it was a couple of yrs at least, and I haven't actually seen it since you just now posted the portions
of it, but funny I pretty much remember it word for word. I actually new that my second post did no
longer exist as well cause I remember you didn't respond to it directly. It's bridge under the water now,
You can say nothing happened, and that I am just going off the deep end. But, I think one of the reasons
why I can remember it so clearly, was that because I just didn't understand what I had done to deserve
it... I had never posted on anything of yours before, and went out of my way to try and give you a sincere
and positive evaluation of your tree.

 

[A Random User]

Are you sure he didn't actually mean a cleft pallet?



Because I'm pretty sure cleft pallets are a thing.

That cleft pallet looks alot like some of my first bonsai stands...

 

[A Random User]

So, now then... where were we ??? Oh yeah hedging junipers...
As stated, I was hedging a Juniper, it is a torulosa and I felt it
Needed some back budding, but mainly what I was hoping to
Achieve through doing this was, I was hoping to give the tree a
Wake up call, and would send out some new buds on the trunk
And allow me to get some new branches...

Often with just regular pinching or cutting, the new growth is really
Just centralized to where the pads are. And while I would agree that
Opening up the tree and allowing more light in will sometimes do the
Same thing, I have opened up this tree, it really can't get anymore
Sun than that of what the good old Florida sky provides, and yet nothing.
So I felt taking it to the next step was what was required.

These new branches if they ever pop are going to take years to develop
So, this is why I am not concerned with the foliage, not only that but
Some of the branch placement I have now, I might like to replace with
New.

I will post some pics of the tree as soon as I can.

 

[A Random User]

Oh, also wanted to add that I have a some yard planting junipers that
I am always just hedging, cause I sure am not going to get
Out there and pinch them, they are not the same species as the
Tree, but it sure seems to of solved their problem...