I want to hear more arguments ..Bonsai Humor Thread No. 2

Maros said:
Only this point from your list is surprising for me. I thought it was somewhat proven that it does help. Interesting.
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I'm very much open to stand corrected on this! But from my own experiments in herbaceous plants and the literature I was able to find, this myth is based on cereal size and mass, not the flowers themselves. The studies were done on wheat, corn and similar plants and their seed weight increases when fed only P+K during flowering season.
And when you think about it, a flower is built from fleshy material (carbohydrates) and easily degraded carbon structures. Magnesium, calcium, water and nitrogen are required to build those.

Excess nitrogen can inhibit flowering, yes. But from what I could find, a general depletion of nutrients has a bigger effect on flowering amount, flower size and sugar content than P+K nutrients ever will.
But as I've mentioned, I am open to be corrected on this.
 
Wires_Guy_wires said:
I'm very much open to stand corrected on this! But from my own experiments in herbaceous plants and the literature I was able to find, this myth is based on cereal size and mass, not the flowers themselves. The studies were done on wheat, corn and similar plants and their seed weight increases when fed only P+K during flowering season.
And when you think about it, a flower is built from fleshy material (carbohydrates) and easily degraded carbon structures. Magnesium, calcium, water and nitrogen are required to build those.

Excess nitrogen can inhibit flowering, yes. But from what I could find, a general depletion of nutrients has a bigger effect on flowering amount, flower size and sugar content than P+K nutrients ever will.
But as I've mentioned, I am open to be corrected on this.
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I'd always heard exactly what you're saying isn't true, but I can believe it. I hit my plants and trees with a high P+K fertilizer and see no noticeable difference in flowering.
That said, in my vegetable garden I have noticed that the fruit are larger and healthier. So perhaps we can specify fruiting over flowering. Personal anecdote, so use with caution.

Wait, I forgot the thread rules.
*Ahem* YOU NUMBSKULL! DON'T YOU KNOW ANYTHING!?
 
Maros said:
Exactly. On conservation and potential help in keeping a variety of plants in a small place by thousands of people, in diverse environments. Regarding Mars, I'm out of my depth here. I know for sure I would not volunteer to curate a bonsai collection on Mars myself. With the amount of luck I have, some stray antenna would probably punch my scafander on my first yamadori trip outside of the dome, like Mat Deamons in Martian. No thanks.
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I'm a bit of a space nerd, so of course that's what I think about; but it was just an example. I think there are a great many botanists, orchardists, other scientists, etc. out there who never think of bonsai as a potential resource. They put off so much because they think they have to go running across the planet to find a certain tree, or at best pay big money for seeds or cuttings, when there could be one nearby in a pot and all they need to do is ask.
 
shohin_branches said:
Plants really aren't that finicky and some have evolved to grow in a wide variety of situations. There often are many ways to grow a plant and everyone says their way is the right way when it really is just the right way for them. Look at how many plants can grow from Florida to Ontario
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Can't argue with this!
Careful, you might get booted from the thread for being too even-headed and logical!
 
shohin_branches said:
I live next to Lake Michigan, a very large body of water. Why is there no high tide and low tide like the ocean?

I feel like people have lost the ability to properly extrapolate information.
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Actually, way back in the late 1970's, I used to work in the UW Limnology Lab. There is a "measurable tide" on Lake Michigan, but it is less than 2 centimeters at its highest, usually smaller. Insignificant compared to waves caused by our prevailing west winds. Lake Superior has slightly larger "tides", but still less than a few centimeters at its highest. Actually difficult to detect because wind driven waves mask the effect.
 
It seems, that having a drawing of your tree, is a crime. I posted this AI generated drawing of one of my trees in reddit, and then I was treated like a pest.

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This is the tree the AI had to draw:

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They said a lot of trees had to be killed to generate my draw. I was treated as a nature hater, because of my decision, not to mention that some artists had lost their way of living because AI was used.

I myself, hate the realistic images of fake trees I can see in facebook and other sites. They are impossible to achive trees, and can generate frustration in newbies. On the other side I'm not an AI enthusiast (maybe because I'm a retired teacher), but to me all I did was to tell "someone" with the right skills to draw my tree (something impossible for me or the people I know)-

So, lets argue......
 
leatherback said:
www.thetravel.com

Do The Great Lakes Have Tides? Here's How They Work

Yes, the five official Great Lakes do have tides—but you might not be able to experience them happening.
www.thetravel.com www.thetravel.com

Not sure whether it is true, did not go into checking their claims but it is interesting claim, there is tide in the great lakes, you just do not notice it.
:)
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I responded before scrolling this far. And yes, the article is factual. Wind driven waves are more significant on the Great Lakes. Seiches are fascinating and actually have historically killed a few people, as they can come without much warning.
 
Fidur said:
myself, hate the realistic images of fake trees I can see in facebook and other sites. They are impossible to achive trees, and can generate frustration in newbie
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Ditto! One of my pet peeves.

I am wondering whether these people realize that visiting a forum requires a lot of energy too? It seems that chatgtp is not much different from google queries..
 
Fidur said:
It seems, that having a drawing of your tree, is a crime. I posted this AI generated drawing of one of my trees in reddit, and then I was treated like a pest.

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This is the tree the AI had to draw:

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They said a lot of trees had to be killed to generate my draw. I was treated as a nature hater, because of my decision, not to mention that some artists had lost their way of living because AI was used.

I myself, hate the realistic images of fake trees I can see in facebook and other sites. They are impossible to achive trees, and can generate frustration in newbies. On the other side I'm not an AI enthusiast (maybe because I'm a retired teacher), but to me all I did was to tell "someone" with the right skills to draw my tree (something impossible for me or the people I know)-

So, lets argue......
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Wow, I think the AI did a superb job to render that copy if your tree.
Did you show them the photo used to generate the image?
What can I say? Stupid people gona stupid
 
I would reason that bonsai is the attempt to make tiny trees or bushes look like large trees, and therefore, it is not a bonsai in the sense that a real tree would not have such separated pads, and would have longer secondary and tertiary branches.
As far as it being a succulent, I'm of the opinion that it doesn't matter what other people call it. If you can make it realistically look like a tree, go for it. I'm growing out a few myself. We'll see if I can make a convincing bonsai from one.
 
leatherback said:
Hm. Old recommendations from the forum recommend watering wearing only a pink slip. But tht is mainly for the oldtimers who remember...
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that was "Smoke" Al Kepler in a pink thong - somewhere there's a photo,
 
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