ID for my Japanese Maple?

[Clorgan]

Been looking for one to plant at the end of my garden. Found this really cheap at a family run nursery and snapped it up as it was the only one. Unfortunately the only bloke working had no idea - his answer was 'I think it's some sort of acer' lovely bloke mind.

Ideally I'd have known the ID before purchase, but figured someone here could help. From my limited knowledge, I was thinking orange dream, katsura or beni kawa?

The red bark could hopefully help someone decipher.

Attached lots of photos, including of the base (hoping the split on the the trunk isn't anything to worry about?) and of some dead branch stubs, I'm presuming from pruning without sealing?

So, an ID would be amazing if possible to decide whether it'll be the right size when mature to plant in the ground in the garden.

Summoning @AlainK for your wisdom if poss please! Sorry I know there's loads of maple experts here, but can't think off the top of my head!

 

[leatherback]

Would be good to have the leaves unfold fully. But for now, I would go with Orange Dreams. Looks very much like the one I have.

 

[Dav4]

Sango Kaku

 

[Clorgan]

Would be good to have the leaves unfold fully. But for now, I would go with Orange Dreams. Looks very much like the one I have.

Does look like it could be.. Hopefully it'll be clear when the leaves do come out properly!

 

[Clorgan]

Sango Kaku

Oh I hadn't considered that, so difficult to tell!

 

[leatherback]

Schrodingers Maple!

 

[Juanmi]

Pretty sure it's not a Sango Kaku, the new branches would be more pinkish.

I would say Orange Dream too, but I'm not sure.

 

[Clorgan]

Schrodingers Maple!

Definitely had to Google... Must be honest I don't really understand but I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere

 

[Clorgan]

Pretty sure it's not a Sango Kaku, the new branches would be more pinkish.

I would say Orange Dream too, but I'm not sure.

Cheers for this! That's what I'm leaning towards... Looking forward to hopefully finding out for sure

 

[leatherback]

Definitely had to Google... Must be honest I don't really understand but I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere

Could be an orange dream, could be a sango kano, could be.. Never know untill you look. Both realities are equally reasonable so both are at the same time true as false.

 

[Clorgan]

Could be an orange dream, could be a sango kano, could be.. Never know untill you look. Both realities are equally reasonable so both are at the same time true as false.

Good explanation... Very deep

Regardless... Reckon it'd be OK in that corner? Not too big? My ground planting knowledge is very limited.

I'm presuming I shouldn't put it right next to the fence? Could be wrong... I really have no idea

Any wisdom at all appreciated!

 

[leatherback]

They like ventilation, but not strong wind. They like sun but need loads of water in summer if you want to keep the leaves in sun and wind.

I find a spot with midday-shade to work well.

 

[penumbra]

I don't have an Orange Dream (yet), but it does not look like my well established Sango Kaku.

 

[Clorgan]

I don't have an Orange Dream (yet), but it does not look like my well established Sango Kaku.

Good to know, thank you!

 

[Shibui]

There are literally thousands of registered JM cultivars in circulation plus an unknown number of unregistered ones. Except for a very few that have unique visible characteristics it is impossible to accurately identify an unlabelled JM. Without a definite provenance they are just Japanese maples.
This one does not appear to have a graft near the base. Good for bonsai but that usually indicates it was grown from seed (JM cuttings are grown by some specialists but rare in general nurseries). Any seedling has a unique combination of genes so is, by definition, a new and unique cultivar.
You can still enjoy all the characteristics of the tree you have. It will still grow and perform exactly the same whether or not it has a name. Just don't be tempted to give it an accepted cultivar name now.

 

[Clorgan]

There are literally thousands of registered JM cultivars in circulation plus an unknown number of unregistered ones. Except for a very few that have unique visible characteristics it is impossible to accurately identify an unlabelled JM. Without a definite provenance they are just Japanese maples.
This one does not appear to have a graft near the base. Good for bonsai but that usually indicates it was grown from seed (JM cuttings are grown by some specialists but rare in general nurseries). Any seedling has a unique combination of genes so is, by definition, a new and unique cultivar.
You can still enjoy all the characteristics of the tree you have. It will still grow and perform exactly the same whether or not it has a name. Just don't be tempted to give it an accepted cultivar name now.

Very interesting, thank you! The main reason for asking to identify was to make sure it'll be a suitable size for where I want it

 

[leatherback]

JM cuttings are grown by some specialists but rare in general nurseries

In this part of the world the named cultivar grown as cutting is actually very cmmon in regular nurseries. My "too little", "butterfly" and "Orange dream" all came from the gardencentre around the corner, all cutting grown.

Without a definite provenance they are just Japanese maples.

this however remains true

 

[Clorgan]

In this part of the world the named cultivar grown as cutting is actually very cmmon in regular nurseries. My "too little", "butterfly" and "Orange dream" all came from the gardencentre around the corner, all cutting grown.



this however remains true

Interesting... To be honest it doesn't really make a difference, as long as it's not going to end up 20ft, which I'm assuming it won't!

Was browsing a new book I got just now and saw this though - does look an awful lot like katsura? Mine appears to have 5 lobed leaves like the katsura, whereas apparently orange dream has 7?

 

[Rivian]

For all you know it could even be arakawa or no named variety at all
Summer and fall color will allow you to exclude some more possibilities, but thats as far as that goes

 

[Clorgan]

For all you know it could even be arakawa or no named variety at all
Summer and fall color will allow you to exclude some more possibilities, but thats as far as that goes

Oh blimey I hope not, they get huge don't they?

Perhaps I'm best keeping it potted for this year