So why have you spent all this time and shown all these pictures of scars if you're admitting that the nutrients are flowing along the nutrient path (here i'm assuming you're talking about the cambium/xylum/phloem). We all know that nutrients are carried via the cambiums.
There certainly are scars on all the trees you've posted, but since grafting involves lining up cambium (et al) layers (so that essentially there is no break), the scars that are there NEVER block those layers ...so you're not proving that scars pass nutrients.
I'm not sure I'm communicating my point well, but this is the best I can do. Regardless, thanks for your time.
I am trying my best in this post to not seem rude or impatient. But I gotta ask Wayne, do you read these posts or just skim over them and pick out the parts that interest you or disagree with?
Loook at Mark's post above which I linked from the original thread. I am in total agreement with you. I think you need to be taking up better questions with Mr. Rockwell. Mark states:
Wound callus tissue does not transfer nutrients. The rolling wounds are useless to the tree, other than to compartmentalize injury by the wire:
It is not until much later that regular cambium tissue overgrows the callus tissue--possibly decades...If you're too aggressive with this kind of thing, you will kill your tree.
First he says that callus tissue does not carry nutrients. He is right to a point becuase callus wood does not transfer nutrients, the living part does.
The way that a plant regenerates anything is thru callus tissue. The part that is living at the outer edge, ever growing during the building of that rolling wound he speaks of.
let's all use are head here for a minute and think about some of the tricks we use in bonsai and how callus tissue works and how it has to pass nutrients or a plant could never regenerate.
Think about an air layer or ground layer. When a top and bottom cut is made on a living plant, roots will not generate until callus tissue is built. No callus, no roots. when a graft is made, the first thing that generates is callus material. I have learned grafting from some of the best in California, some bonsai guru's and some generational farmers. In almost every case I am told that the first signs of a graft knitting is watching for the sizzle. The sizzle is the callus material oozing out from the graft union, almost the same type material that oozes from a cut on ones own skin. The clear serum and scab making material that begins to sizzle as a wound closes.
Cambium material is cambium material. At no time is that material ever disorganized. From the point of any wound on a tree it is ever viligent to reconnect with itself and heal. As far as killing trees with radical wire...come on this was safe as a baby in Church. What those guys did to those fruit trees in that field was damn risky, yet no pain no gain.
Lets talk about those pines for a moment. Those pines were wired with a spiral wire allowing uninerupted nutrient flow around the tree in the clean areas between the wire. The tree began to die under the wire as it became more restricted. As the vessels between the wire became engorged and grew then swelled over the wire and eventually grafted to itself thus reconnecting the trunk skin into a new totally usefull trunk again.
As far as I can see I have no idea what the process done on on the pines has to do with nutrient flow at all except that Mark made a statement about callus tissue not conducting nutrients. So if anyone is out there in left field you might want to have Mark clarify just what the hell it was he was taking about.
I think I have validated everything I have said with plenty of photo's of trees going on growing and healing with huge masses of scar tissue like nothing is wrong.
What do you say? But first watch the video, read the posts on the original thread, then re-read these again and maybe you will catch up.