In search of Seigen Maple

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Does anyone have a lead on where to go to find/ purchase a Seigen maple online?

I’ve been so envious of the pink/red fall color but I can’t find Seigens in stock ANYWHERE
 
The beautiful pink/red fall color is in early SPRING, not autumn. It usually has a golden yellow autumn color.

Try Canada Bonsai, they can ship to the USA


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Does anyone have a lead on where to go to find/ purchase a Seigen maple online?

I’ve been so envious of the pink/red fall color but I can’t find Seigens in stock ANYWHERE
I have one coming from Canada Bonsai that I pre-ordered last year. I live in an area that is not the greatest for maples. I have decided regular maples and Sharp’s are the best for me. If you are interested I am willing to sell the one I have coming.
 
I have one coming from Canada Bonsai that I pre-ordered last year. I live in an area that is not the greatest for maples. I have decided regular maples and Sharp’s are the best for me. If you are interested I am willing to sell the one I have coming.
Hi how much did you pay for it including shipping and what size will it be?
 
You may be able to find one with patience and luck at Mendocino Maples or other place similar. However, they are small and grafted. But yes they are cheaper.
 
maplestoneornamentals.com usually has a drop each year that includes seigen. They go fast so you need to be fast. Go do the website and search for "drop list". You'll see that the next list will be published on Feb 27, with the trees posted online at 8am EST on the 28th. You can also email Micah directly and he'll usually tell you when/if your requested cultivar will be available.
 
I have one coming from Canada Bonsai that I pre-ordered last year. I live in an area that is not the greatest for maples. I have decided regular maples and Sharp’s are the best for me. If you are interested I am willing to sell the one I have coming.
I’d certainly be interested if you’re willing
 
sold out and Canada Bonsai is way too expensive
I can’t find Seigens in stock ANYWHERE

Hm.. Guess that because Seigen is harder to propagate, they are rare. Next to this, they have all sorts of issues staying healthy for many people. A cutting grown seigen .. they will be scarce and pricey
 
Try Canada Bonsai, they can ship to the USA

Thank you Mr. Valavanis

I'm sold out for March 2026, but I will be taking orders for March 2027 sometime over the upcoming summer. Annoucements to come via Newsletter: https://www.canadabonsai.com/pages/newsletter

Canada Bonsai is way too expensive

Since 2018 I have sent several thousand to the USA (and even more Beni Chidori maples!), and my hope is that producers in the USA will begin to emerge and distribute at scale. I know at least a few people are planning it on the east coast and in California. But exactly as @leatherback noted, Seigen does not propagate as efficiently as other cultivars like Kashima or Koto Hime. There are a few reasons for this, but one important reason is that Seigen parent plants simply don't send out tons of vigorous shoots from which we can take cuttings. This means that producing additional parent plants--not just cuttings for sale--scales in something more like a linear fashion, instead of exponentially. This is why even nurseries in the USA who have purchased 50 units from me are still struggling to produce several hundreds cuttings per year to sell. To give you a rough example, if you give me 1 parent plant of Kashima I can produce +2,000 cuttings per year for you within 3-4 years. With Seigen, we're talking 25-100 cuttings per year in the same time frame. (As you would imagine, sourcing additional Seigen parent plants is impossible very very challenging and expensive in the best of scenarios).

There is a lot more to say here, but I wanted to give you a bit of the behind-the-scenes. This is why the number of nurseries in Japan producing Seigen cuttings for bonsai is a lot closer to 0 than it is to 10. The Seigen that we see at exhibitions are often +50 years old, frequently closer to +80 years old -- this rightfully makes us love them; but it also makes us pursue an 'outdated' cultivar from 50 years ago (for lack of a better term). Almost any production nursery you speak to in Japan will tell you that Seigen has been replaced with Deshojo, and from the prospective of efficiently creating beautiful strong bonsai, there is no room for debate: (shin) Deshojo is superior. (As a hobbyist and maple fan first, and a nursery second, I still want a Seigen because there is something special about them, of course)
 
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Good luck on your search, mine came from Maplestone Ornamentals. Took close to 20 years and help from a fellow BNutter to finally find this one, but they’re are a beautiful cultivar. My “parent tree” is in the ground, and it is growing well. I gifted one layer to a friend whose husband loves to propagate JM cultivars, and I’m growing the other in a wooden box, working to build a good nebari.
 
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