Japanese Black Pine, from Seed!

[bonsaichick]

I'm sorry I did not mean to be hostile and I'm sorry I came off that way, I only offered you the truth.

does not really know a concave cutter from a ham sandwich.

I'm only starting out. I'm sorry I'm not in your old guys club yet.

 

[Vance Wood]

I'm only starting out. I'm sorry I'm not in your old guys club yet.

I don't know what else I can say you seem to have it settled in your mind what you think of me. How about you learn the way I had to---the hard way? I have nothing else to say to you that may be of value. I could give you the formula for turning lead into gold and you would think I am insulting you. I was not admonishing you I was being critical of those who neglected to tell you what you obviously did not know.

 

[Anthony]

Steph,

see if you can locate a copy of this - Bonsai Today no.12

http://www.amazon.com/Bonsai-Today-...id=1416128630&sr=8-1&keywords=bonsai+today+12

Or ask if anyone here will at least send you copies of the pages - article starts at p.g 20 and is just about 10 pages long.
It's on growing J.B.pines from seed.

Talk to JKL [ Jim Lewis ] a member here, about Maple seeds. You may prefer Maple whips/seedlings. Try Trident and Japanese [ and talk to Al Keppler - Smoke - member here ]
You can p.m these guys.
Enjoy the hobby. Look at trees in reality, takes photos if you cannot draw, and use good quality tracing paper placed gently on your computer's screen, with a 9b drawing pencil.
Trace the outline, study the shapes.

It takes 3 to 5 years to master the Horticultural techniques [ watering especially ] if you are doing it daily.
Talk to Vance about purchasing a concave pruner. They are for cutting twigs.
When you are ready just ask more questions.
Best to you.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[KennedyMarx]

Bonsaichick, a member (Eric Schrader) here has a blog with several articles on growing pines from seed. Check this out: http://www.phutu.com/?p=293

 

[DhD47]

Hi Steph
Can you tell me where you got the seeds you are working with. So far I can only find them on eBay.

DhD

 

[Bunjeh]

That's why!

Yes that may be true; I know a grower that grows Procumbens Junipers indoors under light and has done so for many years. He is the only person I know of who can get away with it. So the point remains; it may be possible to do it by one out of how many thousands of growers but that does not mean it would be wise to recomend it to someone who is only starting out in bonsai and probably does not really know a concave cutter from a ham sandwich.

Now I understand why my ham sammiches taste like pine sap.

 

[jeanluc83]

I have not noticed that anyone has told you that growing Pines in the house is usually a recipe for disaster. They are temperate trees and need to be outdoors.

All trees are outdoor trees. It is true that some trees can tolerate being grown indoors but they will not grow well. At least not with elaborate setups.

It is not the temperature that is the problem it is the lack of adequate lighting that is the problem. This is especially true with pines. I would but them outside and hope for the best. When spring comes you can plant your remaining seeds.

Hi Steph
Can you tell me where you got the seeds you are working with. So far I can only find them on eBay.

DhD

You should be able to find a good number of retailers with a google search. I think shefields is a good source. I have never purchased from them so I don't have any direct experience.

You could do what I did this fall and find some JBP that are plated in the landscape and collect our own seeds. You might be lucky and find a tree that still has some closed cones.

I'm only starting out. I'm sorry I'm not in your old guys club yet.

You are likely to start getting hostile remarks when you start throwing up your hands in the air playing the victim when you get anything other than encouragement. When it comes down to it you started seeds at the wrong time of the year without doing the proper research.

Everyone makes mistakes. It is called learning. I genuinely hope you continue with this fascinating and rewarding hobby. Good luck.

 

[bonsaichick]

Hi Steph
Can you tell me where you got the seeds you are working with. So far I can only find them on eBay.

DhD

Mine actually came from eBay! They were inexpensive, so I figured why not!

 

[bonsaichick]

A real question: I was looking at my sprouted trees today and noticed that the tap roots are extending down out of the wrapped peat pellet. Am I safe to cut those right at the bottom of the peat pellet?

~Thanks!~

 

[Eric Group]

A real question: I was looking at my sprouted trees today and noticed that the tap roots are extending down out of the wrapped peat pellet. Am I safe to cut those right at the bottom of the peat pellet?

~Thanks!~

You should post some pics... That will help us give advice on how to help you and what needs to be done now.

The advice not to grow Pines inside is solid.... Not for a long time anyway. Perhaps you could start them inside for a couple months, then move them out when the weather is nice and let them get acclimated before next winter...?

I think all people were trying to say is you would be better off going with proven high percentage methods in growing these trees.

If you want something to work on while you are still young take Skinny Gumba's advice and get a couple pre-bonsai of varying age to work on and learn from. By the time some of these seedlings are ready for some attention, you should have a good idea of what it going on!

Good luck, and please give us some pics to look at! A better indication of your specific location might help as well- are you in the US or some other country?