Japanese maple cuttings

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I took a couple cuttings from our JM while trimming it, 3-4 weeks ago... Stuck them in perlite, on my work bench in garage... Now the buds are starting to open, any thing to worry about? Wait and trim the leaves when they open? Pretty excited, never got action on the maple cuttings before.
Brent
 
You can cut the large leaves in half when you make the cutting and strike it. I don't see why you would want to cut leaves that have grown.

My success with these cuttings is to keep 2 leaves at top of cutting only, and if they are large, cut in half. Do nothing to the new leaves that grow if the cutting starts to grow.
 
I got my cuttings from MM 25 days ago. 80% of them have leaves and seem to be thriving. I haven't checked for roots yet. Plan to do so at 8 weeks.
 
I took a couple cuttings from our JM while trimming it, 3-4 weeks ago... Stuck them in perlite, on my work bench in garage... Now the buds are starting to open, any thing to worry about? Wait and trim the leaves when they open? Pretty excited, never got action on the maple cuttings before.
Brent
I would go with the reduce transpiration loss by external methods not by reducing the leaves at this point. Shade, cover with plastic structures (bags, containers), etc to create more humid conditions, mist by hand a few times a day, or better yet rig up a misting setup.
 
That's all helpful, kept hearing "cut the leaves" in my head, couldn't tie that to nitial cutting only.
I mist them multiple times a day, water periodically, mostly dim in the garage. I keep saying I'll get a terrarium setup to keep in moisture, never do.
B
 
You can cut the large leaves in half when you make the cutting and strike it. I don't see why you would want to cut leaves that have grown.

My success with these cuttings is to keep 2 leaves at top of cutting only, and if they are large, cut in half. Do nothing to the new leaves that grow if the cutting starts to grow.
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I would go with the reduce transpiration loss by external methods not by reducing the leaves at this point. Shade, cover with plastic structures (bags, containers), etc to create more humid conditions, mist by hand a few times a day, or better yet rig up a misting setup.
So also for winter cuttings you would recommend using a propagator / enclosure once buds start to break?
 
I would go with the reduce transpiration loss by external methods not by reducing the leaves at this point. Shade, cover with plastic structures (bags, containers), etc to create more humid conditions, mist by hand a few times a day, or better yet rig up a misting setup.

This. I have some glass jars that I use. I put the jar upside down on the cutting to create a mini humidity dome to hold in the moisture. Then I briefly lift it up once a day to let fresh air in, mist the cutting, and put it back on. You can also use a 2 liter plastic soft drink bottle, cut in half, for the same effect. Large pickle jars work quite well. Some people recommend putting the whole potted cutting inside a ziplock back or clear bag, but that’s awkward for me - maybe it works for other folks. If you want to get fancy, you can buy a plastic humidity dome at Home Depot or Amazon for just a few dollars.

When you mist, make sure you keep it moist but not wet to avoid fungus and the likes.
 
If you take hardwood cuttings that have not put out leaves yet, autumn, winter or early spring, generally the cutting won't open more leaves than it can supply water for. Cuttings taken autumn, winter and early spring before bud break are referred to as ''hardwood cuttings''. Many trees root reasonably well from hardwood cuttings. For example, blueberries, cutting are taken in autumn, after leaves have fallen. Over the winter some callus forms. Spring only a few leaves will open, roots actually form sometime in late summer early autumn. They are not handled or moved until the following spring because they do not form roots for over 6 months.

If your cuttings already have leaves open, then it is appropriate to either cut a few leaves off, or back. Cutting large leaves in half is common practice. Usually cuttings taken in spring with leaves just opening are the least likely to survive, because the water demand to open and mature leaves is the greatest. These are called ''softwood cuttings''. Certain perennial herbs root best from softwood cuttings. Majority of shrubs and trees do not have high success with softwood cuttings.

Cuttings with leaves are usually taken after the summer solstice, and are referred to as ''semi-hardwood'' cuttings. This is after new growth has slowed or stopped for the season. The stem has lignified to some degree, will feel woody, rather than soft and flexible. Leaves are all fully expanded and have been mature for several weeks or months. Majority of trees and shrubs that can be propagated by cuttings will be successful as semi-hardwood or hardwood cuttings.

Cuttings of woody trees and shrubs are very species specific as to what it takes to get them to root. Dir's Manual of Propagation of Woody Trees and Shrubs is the bible for methods that would yield commercially viable numbers of rooted cuttings. Mist beds, with heat mats to keep media warm are common recommendations. Hormone treatments, at various concentrations are often recommended. Sometimes it is noted in Dir that using no hormone worked better than the addition of a rooting hormone. In general I find using hormones hit and miss, and hormones in excess of ''directions'' can often inhibit roots. Too much is not a good thing with rooting hormones.

But keep in mind, the trees and shrubs don't read the books. It is possible to have low levels of success, like maybe one in ten, or one in 25 attempts, with getting cuttings to root. At the hobby level, having only one or two out of 25 cuttings root might be all the hobby grower needs. So there is no reason to not try to root cuttings out of season, or in less than ideal conditions. The old fashioned just stick the twig in a glass of water has a surprising success rate. It is very far from 100%, but works more often than one might think when reading the propagation literature.

So give cuttings a try, any method, any time will likely give you ''some chance'' of success. Never say never. Just give it a try. Right now is when most bonsai people are pruning a lot of trees, no reason not to try to strike cuttings. Even if Dir says it is not the right time.
 
So also for winter cuttings you would recommend using a propagator / enclosure once buds start to break?
No, I wouldn't worry about that until you have some leaves. I don't do much for winter hardwood cuttings (Don't really make an effort, just stick my pruning for fun, and don't have a lot of succesful) but there you are wanting to hopefully build a nice callus so that when the spring leaves pop, they can produce roots quicker.
 
If wanting to get pretty serious on cuttings, I have some pretty cheap parts I have found and use to make a pretty inexpensive mist system. And from my experience, misting bumps up your success rate by many factors.

I use a timer off of Amazon ~55$, you need a timer that will do short burst (5-30sec) on a very quick cycle (5-60 min) Most timers don't. These timers don't need electricity(a couple AA batteries, mine last all summer and still going now). Tis timer is also a valve (regular hose connections) so no fancy valve needed either.
I rig this up to a regular garden hose and then from there to some pvc.
I use fairly simple misters that have a 1/2 inch PVC connector so just glue them to my PVC. One is 5-10$. I have been using 4 for a 4x6ft tent. I can fit several hundreds in.

If anybody interested ill look up the parts and post some links.

I also have found some nice tree pot containers that can fit ~100 in a 1x3 ft holder. If you look at the end of my media pictures you can see some of the contraptions and containers as I do cuttings.
 
I took a couple cuttings from our JM while trimming it, 3-4 weeks ago...

From my experience and that of friends, hardwood cuttings made in autumn, after leaf fall, have a fair chance to succed. Semi-hardwood cuttings done in summer have a very good chance to root. But cuttings made in February, or just before budbreak ave less chance to succed : they push out new leaves because of the sap in the wood, but many will not make roots and wither away.

The first time I took cuttings in mid-February, I had about 10% success. I tried it again a couple more times, with no success at all each time...
 
From my experience and that of friends, hardwood cuttings made in autumn, after leaf fall, have a fair chance to succed. Semi-hardwood cuttings done in summer have a very good chance to root. But cuttings made in February, or just before budbreak ave less chance to succed : they push out new leaves because of the sap in the wood, but many will not make roots and wither away.

The first time I took cuttings in mid-February, I had about 10% success. I tried it again a couple more times, with no success at all each time...
Hi Alain, resurrecting this post as I am interested in your methods when taking hardwood cuttings in Autumn, after leaf fall.

I have a couple questions for you:
  • Length -- typical 2/3 node cutting?
  • Hormones -- do you use hormones?
  • Substrate -- what kind of substrate/soil do you use?
  • Humidity -- do you cover the cuttings or with the wetter/colder weather this time of year is that not necessary?
  • Anything else you do differently compare to sping/summer cuttings?
Sorry for the interrogation here -- I'm really keen to take some cuttings from extensions on my Beni Chidori. These branches will cause reverse taper if I wait until after the first flush of growth and I don't want to waste the chance to propagate the cultivar.

Thank you!
 
I’m no expert but I had good success with JM cuttings this year. I took 20 or so cuttings from Deshojos and Sharps Pigmy’s (I may have taken a few twigs off of some giant landscape trees at my local nursery…don’t judge me). I got a giant Rubbermaid box put upside down pots on the bottom (to keep the cuttings out of the water) and filled the bottom few inches with water. I then covered the top with a piece of glass to keep the moisture in. I hade like 75% success with no rooting hormone and I took the cuttings in late spring when the leaves had hardened off. Each cutting was 2 or 3 inches tall with a node at the bottom of each and I left 1 or 2 leaves on each one and I sealed the cut wounds on the tops. Hopefully that was helpful to someone. I used a mix of perlite and coco for my mix.
 
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