Japanese white pine seedlings (Pinus parviflora)

[Tiny Tree Enthusiast]

Does anyone have a current source for non-grafted Japanese white pine seedlings in the United States? I have seen several other threads from months or years past citing COVID-related supply chain issues and/or importing troubles that have made these more scarce. Any tips on where to find them would be appreciated, as I would love to work with these trees!

 

[Tiny Tree Enthusiast]

Still looking -- anyone have tips?

 

[99 Mile Creek]

Does anyone have a current source for non-grafted Japanese white pine seedlings in the United States? I have seen several other threads from months or years past citing COVID-related supply chain issues and/or importing troubles that have made these more scarce. Any tips on where to find them would be appreciated, as I would love to work with these trees!

Any luck? I’m interested looking too.

 

[CapeCodBonsai]

Seems they are fairly difficult to find on their own roots . . . everything tends to be grafted (which I understand the reasoning).

Like you, I wanted a few ungrafted and (like you) I had difficulty finding trees. I ended up propagating my own. I’ll be dead before they’ll make convincing bonsai but, who knows, maybe one of my grandchildren will want to take up the hobby and finish the job.

Here are a couple of mine in grow bags . . .

I do see them being advertised from time to time so, you may find them (if you’re tenacious enough).

Good luck in your search

 

[99 Mile Creek]

Seems they are fairly difficult to find on their own roots . . . everything tends to be grafted (which I understand the reasoning).

Like you, I wanted a few ungrafted and (like you) I had difficulty finding trees. I ended up propagating my own. I’ll be dead before they’ll make convincing bonsai but, who knows, maybe one of my grandchildren will want to take up the hobby and finish the job.

Here are a couple of mine in grow bags . . .
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I do see them being advertised from time to time so, you may find them (if you’re tenacious enough).

Good luck in your search

That's very nice material you have there. I'm glad you were able to find a solution. I'm sure there are wonderful bonsai from grafts, as you've eluded, but I want to avoid grafts if at all possible. Just a preference to stay 'natural.' I have a pretty neat grafted JM with green leaves on the bottom half and a deep red on top. One of my last memories of my grandfather was him discussing a JM he had in his garden, baffled by the two different leaf colors.

And I'm in the same boat and looking to my children to carry on some of my hobbies -- bonsai included. Not much time, if I'm being pragmatic. I'll teach what I can in the meantime.

I'll keep my ear to the ground for a JWP being sold. I may get a few seedlings in the meantime too. Thanks for getting back to me.

 

[Japonicus]

Don't know when Julian might have more spring up, but he's getting old.
Book mark this link and keep an eye open.

five needle 1

He's very pleasant to talk to, and answers his emails.

Jeremiah McKinney took over his copper wire end of things 6 yrs ago, so I expect to see his seedlings
and specimens that are left, phased out before too long.

Jeremiah

 

[Japonicus]

zuisho 1

3 year Zuisho cuttings $40-80 each by size
Sold by allocated reservations. Reservation requests are by email only starting on August 1 each year.

First come, first served. Very limited quantities. Usually sold out quickly. September shipping

 

[99 Mile Creek]

Don't know when Julian might have more spring up, but he's getting old.
Book mark this link and keep an eye open.

five needle 1

He's very pleasant to talk to, and answers his emails.

Jeremiah McKinney took over his copper wire end of things 6 yrs ago, so I expect to see his seedlings
and specimens that are left, phased out before too long.

Jeremiah

Thanks for the information. I'll inquire about them.

 

[coltranem]

They pop up on Facebook Bonsai auctions and eBay sometimes. They are not cheap that is for sure.

 

[Crash607]

They pop up on Facebook Bonsai auctions and eBay sometimes. They are not cheap that is for sure.

any tips on getting into those groups? Someone else had told me about them. Requested to join, and I've been stuck in pending for almost a month

I'll keep my ear to the ground for a JWP being sold. I may get a few seedlings in the meantime too. Thanks for getting back to me.

Yes! Please let us know if you find some!

Don't know when Julian might have more spring up, but he's getting old.

I spoke to Julian not too long ago. He told me there's a shortage of true JWP for some reason and he doesn't know why. He also enlightened me to another problem which is that most of the JWP seeds available at the moment domestically are not true JWP, but rather, other variants or cultivars that have been cross bred over time. I'd love to find someone that is able to get seeds that are guaranteed to be from Japan.

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

@Tiny Tree

Enthusiast Matt O at https://kaedebonsai-en.com/ for a number of years, but they sell out pretty quickly… usually offered later in the year or after the new year.

They are seedlings so will need some time to grow out, But that means you can grow and style as desired. We lots of seedlings from them over the years. Bought a couple JWP over the years. All are robust and healthy. One is in the ground growing out really well.

Might want to give him a call to see when his seedling sale in happening or at least get on his mailing list.

Also check this link. https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/japanese-white-pine-from-seed-the-next-generations-material.65831/

Cheers
DSD sends

 

[99 Mile Creek]

any tips on getting into those groups? Someone else had told me about them. Requested to join, and I've been stuck in pending for almost a month



Yes! Please let us know if you find some!



I spoke to Julian not too long ago. He told me there's a shortage of true JWP for some reason and he doesn't know why. He also enlightened me to another problem which is that most of the JWP seeds available at the moment domestically are not true JWP, but rather, other variants or cultivars that have been cross bred over time. I'd love to find someone that is able to get seeds that are guaranteed to be from Japan.

Hi there.

I am not sure if I ever found any that were not grafted m, but I found this shop on Etsy: https://www.etsy.com/listing/167478...9c9ce93f6aa110bc5b4d3c650836ff47%3A1674785367

It’s worth reaching out to see if they are grafted or not. Good luck!

 

[Lorax7]

You could just buy a grafted nursery JWP and air layer it. It may take more than one year for the layer to root, but JWP is one of the few pines that has a reasonable chance of successful propagation via air layer or cuttings.

 

[Crash607]

Hi there.

I am not sure if I ever found any that were not grafted m, but I found this shop on Etsy: https://www.etsy.com/listing/1674785367/live-pre-bonsai-white-pine-un-trained?click_key=0ba17c1cb86ab5c5db85182b577390df67b7118c:1674785367&click_sum=cc8b7d32&ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=japanese+white+pine&ref=sr_gallery-1-1&organic_search_click=1&sts=1&content_source=4184d0969c9ce93f6aa110bc5b4d3c650836ff47%3A1674785367

It’s worth reaching out to see if they are grafted or not. Good luck!

They are grafted. I reached out to this same seller here not too long ago. He confirmed that they were all grafted onto JBP root stock.