sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Small DE ... Pumice ... Large DE.
Pumice.
Small DE.
Sorce
Pumice.
Small DE.
Sorce
Sorce 6 Year JBP contest entry.
- Thread starter sorce
- Start date
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Small DE.
Large DE.
Both dead from this last winter. The warm one. Go figure.
I'll post the roots from pumice when I need the pumice to make glaze.
Sorce
Large DE.
Both dead from this last winter. The warm one. Go figure.
I'll post the roots from pumice when I need the pumice to make glaze.
Sorce
_#1_
Omono
How come you think it was the winter that killed them?
I'm in the process of trying to rescue a weak cork bark, and it survived the winter and new needle has good color so far. Fingers crossed.
Hmm...
Now you’re saying “winter killed them”. Right?
Didn’t you state in other threads that you don’t believe in winter protection?
Do you think that if they had some winter protection they might still be alive?
Has your experience taught you anything about getting trees through Chicago winters?
Now you’re saying “winter killed them”. Right?
Didn’t you state in other threads that you don’t believe in winter protection?
Do you think that if they had some winter protection they might still be alive?
Has your experience taught you anything about getting trees through Chicago winters?
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Nothing else happened and I was never supposed to be able to keep them here.
Sorce
_#1_
Omono
@sorce I only asked because they did great the winter before last, and I think it was mentioned temp got down to -20 f ?
My question wasn't meant to be snarky or anything and I hope you don't take it that way. I'm just trying to figure out this JBP thing and we are not that far zone wise. So I thought I could take some pointers from your experience.
One question. Are JBP slower grower than Mugo? My Mugo needles are already matured I think. The JBP looks to be only half way there. Is it stalled and pretty much heading toward the inevitable?
The JBP has needle cast which I gave a dose of Bonide granular early spring and now copper/Deconil. I only raked out the outer inch or two old soil from the rootball which was small and sad
. And filled with APL.
JBP
Mugo
My question wasn't meant to be snarky or anything and I hope you don't take it that way. I'm just trying to figure out this JBP thing and we are not that far zone wise. So I thought I could take some pointers from your experience.
One question. Are JBP slower grower than Mugo? My Mugo needles are already matured I think. The JBP looks to be only half way there. Is it stalled and pretty much heading toward the inevitable?
The JBP has needle cast which I gave a dose of Bonide granular early spring and now copper/Deconil. I only raked out the outer inch or two old soil from the rootball which was small and sad
. And filled with APL.JBP
Mugo
HorseloverFat
Squarepants with Conkers
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
I'm sincerely sorry if my reply sounded like that. I guess I was trying to make it as concise as possible, while not trying to invite more...more....eh, I might have to deal with that so this doesn't continue!
It won't be popcorn worthy, just a quick shutdown.I believe it was due mostly to the early snow and cold. The inability to prepare for the rest of winter is what put them down.
The inability to produce enough antifreeze while needing it.
Not that the antifreeze isn't good enough when it's made.
I have some mugos all the way out, and some still almost there. Not much different in the care, except cutting times last year.
Seeing the awesome start these had make me dead set on starting mugo seeds. Fersure.
Sorce
Wires_Guy_wires
Imperial Masterpiece
Not that it helps, but your dead ones look better than my live ones!
I gave JBP up entirely. The 20 or so I have left will be sacrificed to the bonsai gods this winter.
I gave JBP up entirely. The 20 or so I have left will be sacrificed to the bonsai gods this winter.
HorseloverFat
Squarepants with Conkers
I hear this more and more.
... I only had ONE seed sprout from 12.. (three year old seeds, gifted to me)
Wires_Guy_wires
Imperial Masterpiece
I own give or take 9 species of pines, JBP has proven itself to be very delicate. In my view entirely deserving the name of King of Bonsai in Japan. But in my own backyard it's the weakest type of them all. Ponderosa, JRP, sylvestris, mugo, banksiana, halpensis, nigra and even longaeva do better.
I blame it entirely on myself and my inability to sit still. I'm not giving them a throne fit for a king, and they don't like it.
I can spend a whole lot of time and effort trying to suit to their needs but I'd rather have some trees that I can keep thriving.
HorseloverFat
Squarepants with Conkers
I like this analogy. And makes sense to me... is it IN thumbergii’s nature, do you think, or does it relate MORE to the simple fact that they are not in their native climate.
The wild ones that you can observe (In pictures, here) wouldn’t lead you to believe they are anything but dominant...
I’m partial to the appearance of OTHER pines, even THOUGH there are SO many good specimens i’ve seen.
I feel like it’s reputation as “the king”(
) Gets in the way.. and allows for MANY great trees... just many SIMILAR trees.Perhaps (regarding that aforementioned delicacy) they truly dislike containers THE MOST. Hehe
I’m just very curious.
(Curiosity keeps me alive)
Shibui
Imperial Masterpiece
I find this astounding! I do not have access to the range of species you guys have but down here P. thunbergii is by far the fastest growing and hardiest of the pines I have access to. Hard to get my head around them being delicate in any way! Maybe that can be put down to climate. here they are fully hardy to winter, to lack of care, lack of water, respond to pruning at any time of year, etc.
P. radiata is used as a fast growing plantation timber in this area but they do not respond as well to pruning or root pruning for me. P. nigra has been used for plantation trials but not grown any more. I have not worked with it as bonsai simply because P. thunbergii does everything I want. P. nigra seems to be very similar to thuinbergii and some great examples in European bonsai shows so probably could be grown more.
P. thunbergii is probably only the King of Bonsai in its traditional homeland where I believe the tree also has icon status for other cultural reasons. If bonsai had developed in Europe or Americas we would be seeking other species as the King.
Always best to use the species that give best results so use whatever grows well and makes good trees for you.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Shibui
Imperial Masterpiece
It is currently mid winter here. We had frost this morning - around -2C but all melted by 9am and a bright sunny day to follow and a top temp today of 13C. Had to mow the lawn again. I also started digginmg and pruning the trident maples in the grow beds.
That's generally winter is for me.
Is the profile location not enough? I know that God invented war to teach Americans geography but anyone can now search the internet at the click of a couple of buttons and find out stuff like where a town is, even little towns like Yackandandah.
leatherback
The Treedeemer
Want to get rid of some of them towards Germany?
leatherback
The Treedeemer
Sorry. Sucks.
Wires_Guy_wires
Imperial Masterpiece
Pflanzmich.de had perfectly healthy 2-3 year old specimens for 6 euros a piece. Although sometimes you have to wait 300 days for them to arrive. I own two of those.
I'm fine with sending you a couple of my seedlings, if you promise that you tell people you found them in a dumpster.
I still want to sacrifice the rest.
I'll throw in two rooted/rooting ponderosa seedling cuttings if you pay for shipping.
Shoot me a PM if you'd like.
Bonsai Nut
Nuttier than your average Nut
Are those your last seedlings? Or just two that died and you have others...?
LanceMac10
Imperial Masterpiece
Just takes ONE click here, just click on user's "location" and Google brings ya' right there!! Now I know where Yackandandah is in south east Australia!!
Similar threads
